Warwick production...

Jarman said:
I wud care if my bass was made by 10 year olds for 2p a day! I think that kind of production is unacceptable, and would stop using warwick products if it were the case. However at the moment I believe that certainly the basses are made in germany and I have no reason to believe that child labor or cheap labor is being used.

No such allegations were made even in the original post. The worst thing that was being accused was some of the higher end basses were made in China not Germany. I still stand by my original post - I don't care where mine were made. Whether I care about workers rights is a different subject altogether and not one I particualrly want to get involved in to be honest.

This forum has gone very PC (politically correct) recently. Over the last few days I've read someone being slated for having no tact because he didn't like someone's custom bass :?: , and other such occurences seem to be happening more frequently at the moment.

Just relax guys, it's all light hearted fun and a bit of bass discussion. We all have different views - that's what a forum is all about.

:)
 
bassoctopus said:
...This forum has gone very PC (politically correct) recently...

Yeah, and I think that sucks. People have a right to their opinion, even if you don't agree with it!

To get back to the topic, I'm 100% sure Hans-Peter runs his company without compromising anything for his employees.
 
The Swedish Owl said:
bassoctopus said:
...This forum has gone very PC (politically correct) recently...

Yeah, and I think that sucks. People have a right to their opinion, even if you don't agree with it!

I agree, completely, with one caveat...If someones opinion involves hacking on another person, for whatever reason, that other person has the universal right to call out the hacker...and call them a f*cking-c*ckbiting-donkey-sodomizing-a**hole if they want to...how's that for PC? :roll:

I think its much more pleasant to be polite to one another, shows respect... :D
 
Avram said:
The Swedish Owl said:
bassoctopus said:
...This forum has gone very PC (politically correct) recently...

Yeah, and I think that sucks. People have a right to their opinion, even if you don't agree with it!

I agree, completely, with one caveat...If someones opinion involves hacking on another person, for whatever reason, that other person has the universal right to call out the hacker...and call them a f*cking-c*ckbiting-donkey-sodomizing-a**hole if they want to...how's that for PC? :roll:

I think its much more pleasant to be polite to one another, shows respect... :D

Hehe, you are totally right, but there is a difference between not being PC and just being rude/an a-hole. Personal attacks are always below the belt.
 
Tv IV Dogs said:
Greg said:
I doubt Warwick would've expanded as quickly as they have if the man up top was a slave driver.Let's face it,most of us have a nick name for our boss.
.

He simply couldn't be a 'slave driver' in his european business...have you seen EU labour laws? Those crackers take their wellbeing seriously!!!

Please define "crackers". :?
 
Here is an article from Music Trades Magazine, June 1, 2002 that addresses the issue pretty well with facts:

In 1995 HP Wilfer ventured beyond Framus and Warwick's long combined history as 100-percent-German manufacturers, establishing a sister corporation in China. Located in the Shanghai Waigaoqiao (pronounced "why gow chow") Free Trade Zone, Warwick Music Equipment Trading (Shanghai) Ltd., Co. is staffed by an Australian expatriate managing director and a team of bilingual Chinese nationals. Its major product groups include comprehensive lines of bags and molded plastic cases for instruments, as well as guitar, bass, keyboard, and microphone stands. "The Shanghai factory was originally established as a beachhead for accessory products," notes Dana B. Goods president Dana Teague. "The first charter of that operation was to manage the vendors manufacturing the accessory products. Its second charter was to develop the Chinese market for those products. But now it's also acting as a base of operations for Seymour Duncan, GHS, and several other companies to sell their products in China through Warwick's facilities. As the infrastructure of that operation developed, Warwick began to feel confident that it could branch out into other areas. One of those areas was a new line of instruments."

Warwick's confidence was founded on years of accumulated bass building skills, time-earned trust in its team in Shanghai, and a conviction that the fledgling line would be afforded a strong start on Warwick's coattails. RockBass shares Warwick's highly identifiable body styles--including the Streamer Standard, Corvette, and Alien Stage Acoustic--as well its headstock design and angled tuning gears. Further, while its headstock is labeled "RockBass," its truss rod cover is labeled "Warwick." "This is very similar to Gibson's approach with Epiphone guitars," Teague explains. "We are obviously emphasizing the fact that Warwick is behind the RockBass. A consumer who just can't get into the Warwick line because of its cost will recognize the body style and headstock and say, `This is going to be my first `Warwick.'" Despite their outward similarities, the two lines are clearly delineated in country of origin--all Warwick basses continue to be made in Germany--and price--RockBasses start at $499 retail. The lines are also marketed differently and have separate dealer agreements. "Obviously, a significant number of additional dealers who are able to carry RockBass would never be able to carry Warwick due to regional conflicts," says Teague. Dana B. Goods is also advertising the lines differently, focusing on trade publications for RockBass, for which Dana B. Goods' primary target is dealers. Teague is counting on benefiting from existing Warwick advertising and artists "spilling over" into the RockBass.

Although Teague worked closely with Wilfer to develop the RockBass line, he takes "absolutely no credit" for Warwick's original expansion into accessories. "To tell you the truth," he concedes, "I tried to pour cold water over that for a long time. I just didn't get it. Now I get it. Hans Peter had a vision, and he knew what he was doing all the time. As Music Trades publishes at least once a year, accessories is a high-margin business for dealers, and it's more recession-proof." Hans Peter's commitment to RockBass and his burgeoning accessory business is evident in his demanding schedule, which requires him to work out of his Shanghai office two weeks out of every month. He credits his wife, Florence, for making it all possible. "Without her deep involvement in the company, I couldn't take such risks," says Wilfer.

Warwick has also benefited from its association with Dana B. Goods. Over the years the relationship has grown closer and more collaborative, with Dana Teague serving as Hans Peter Wilfer's eyes and ears to the American market. "It's developed into more of a partnership for global representation than anything else," says Teague. "Because America's pop music styles are so dominant all over the world, Warwick pays much more attention to our endorsees and advertising. When we do an ad here or sign up a new artist, it's blasted out to 40 other countries within two weeks. Australia and the U.K. specifically have found that if something that is breaking or hot here, it's just a matter of time before it takes off there."

Success with the accessories line--along with what might be described as Hans Peter Wilfer's "more is more" approach to manufacturing--have forced Dana B. Goods to grow as well. "One of my nicknames for Hans Peter Wilfer is `Spaghetti Boy,'" quips Teague. "I call him that because he's constantly throwing more products--more different types of cases, bags, and stands--than we can humanly handle. He laughs and says, `I throw them at the wall, and we'll see which ones stick!'" Offering a specific example, Teague adds, "We argued about how many products we were going to display at the NAMM show. If he'd had his way, it would have been literally a tom-tom bag for everything from an 8" to a 16" drum. The bag, stand, and case line already has well over a thousand SKUs."
COPYRIGHT 2002 Music Trades Corp. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group. For permission to reuse this article, contact Copyright Clearance Center
 
its from a magizine, so he would have had to type it all, no?
 
Corvette said:
Tv IV Dogs said:
Greg said:
I doubt Warwick would've expanded as quickly as they have if the man up top was a slave driver.Let's face it,most of us have a nick name for our boss.
.

He simply couldn't be a 'slave driver' in his european business...have you seen EU labour laws? Those crackers take their wellbeing seriously!!!

Please define "crackers". :?

Erm....crackers=dudes=guys=people.

It's just a term I use...I think I probably picked it up from South Park? Does it have some kind of negative or racial connotation? I definitely didn't intend it that way.
 
Tv IV Dogs said:
Corvette said:
Tv IV Dogs said:
Greg said:
I doubt Warwick would've expanded as quickly as they have if the man up top was a slave driver.Let's face it,most of us have a nick name for our boss.
.

He simply couldn't be a 'slave driver' in his european business...have you seen EU labour laws? Those crackers take their wellbeing seriously!!!

Please define "crackers". :?

Erm....crackers=dudes=guys=people.

It's just a term I use...I think I probably picked it up from South Park? Does it have some kind of negative or racial connotation? I definitely didn't intend it that way.

It can mean "white guys" the same way the "N" word is used... I'm white and I take no offence. To me, a cracker is something I eat with cheese on it while watching reruns of Archie Bunker on All In The Family, before there was political correctness! Personally, I think people are too sensitive if they let such things bother them and become "racial" issues. We're all colored people - just different shades of melanin - and what a dull, boring place this world would be visually if there weren't all the different shades of skin color... Names, if used with intentional purpose, are just stupid words coming from small minds; it's when they are backed with sticks and stones, guns and bombs, that it's gone WAY too far. Touchy, touchy, closed minds... :evil:

I like it here on the Warwick forum, because we all have mutual respect and we can even handle the non PC stuff with a good, healthy sense of humor. Heck, I can even joke and take jokes about and laugh at myself! :lol:
 
Nicely put maddrakket.
The word negro (It's more equal to "black" for 98% of the worlds population) is very tabu in norway. Norwegians are just afraid to offend anyone. They're actually re-writing legendary books to exclude the word negro. I don't mind saying negro or black, and I have a few friends who are black - they're cool with it, they're not hyped or super pissed about anyone who says it. It's worse if you say "F**king ne...." or "Black a**hole"
Stop racism, but don't get freaky about it.
 
+1 Maddraket!

Cracker has been used mostly to describe South-eastern (USA) white people, mostly country folk, and could be used synonomously with:

White trash - whities who usually live in low budget trailer parks and behave in a 'less than cultured' and close minded way.

Honky - refering to whities from the mid-south such as Tennesse, Kentucky or anywhere else where 'honkey-tonk' music is popular.

Bubba - see 'white-trash' above.

These are all negative conotations created by light-skinned and dark-skinned people alike as a reaction to all the wonderfully narrowminded terms ignorant racists (who fall into the above catagories) created to desparage 'non-white' people.

And no worries Tv IV Dogs, thanks for clarification of your intentions. I'm sure none of us pale-faces here take offence if you didn't mean any. :D
 
Tv IV Dogs said:
Corvette said:
Tv IV Dogs said:
Greg said:
I doubt Warwick would've expanded as quickly as they have if the man up top was a slave driver.Let's face it,most of us have a nick name for our boss.
.

He simply couldn't be a 'slave driver' in his european business...have you seen EU labour laws? Those crackers take their wellbeing seriously!!!

Please define "crackers". :?

Erm....crackers=dudes=guys=people.

It's just a term I use...I think I probably picked it up from South Park? Does it have some kind of negative or racial connotation? I definitely didn't intend it that way.

Thanks. :D
 
Avram said:
+1 Maddraket!

Cracker has been used mostly to describe South-eastern (USA) white people, mostly country folk, and could be used synonomously with:

White trash - whities who usually live in low budget trailer parks and behave in a 'less than cultured' and close minded way.

Honky - refering to whities from the mid-south such as Tennesse, Kentucky or anywhere else where 'honkey-tonk' music is popular.

Bubba - see 'white-trash' above.

These are all negative conotations created by light-skinned and dark-skinned people alike as a reaction to all the wonderfully narrowminded terms ignorant racists (who fall into the above catagories) created to desparage 'non-white' people.

And no worries Tv IV Dogs, thanks for clarification of your intentions. I'm sure none of us pale-faces here take offence if you didn't mean any. :D

Hehe, I'm a pale-face myself! Man...people seem to find the weirdest shit to call each other...
 
People, I've never said that the guy used to be a Warwick employee, I said he used to deal with Warwick as a seller, and that because of that, he met HP Wilfer a few times.
 
Avram said:
And no worries Tv IV Dogs, thanks for clarification of your intentions. I'm sure none of us pale-faces here take offence if you didn't mean any. :D

No, I didn't take any offense, per say, however a clarification was in order.
However, these days that term is used as a racist term for white people, and I for one don't like it. If I came here and threw around the "n" word because I just I just use it, which I don't, for the heck of it, I would be banned very quickly. And yes I am a pale face too. If I have to be PC these days, so does everyone else. And to respond to the original post, I have no doubt my Corvette standard was made in Germany.
 
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