Streamer LTD 2008

[boston asphalt2]

so, what does having the pickup pan control and the extra 3 ay pickup selector switch actually give you? It seems kinda redundant to me, no? Lets say I pan with the pan control to the neck pickup. Then, if I use that new switch, I can either shut off the pickup by setting the switch to the bridge pickup. Then effectively Ive shut off the neck pickup. If I set the 3way switch to the middle, I have lowered to output of the pickup because it is looking for output from a muted bridge pickup, right? So, it just acts as a kill switch?

Or am I missing something here?

 

[Grgzilla]

Oh you're missing something Graham.
An 08 LTD in your collection. :wink:

**edit.
Doh!

 

[thndrstk6]

Hahaha! Good stuff Greg! :lol:

 

[naetog]

nice....

as far as the switch, i guess you'll have to let us know when your bass arrives, eh??

 

[Mr Praline]

The pan knob sets the "mode" for when the pickup SWITCH is in the middle. The first and third position of the switch will always be neck or bridge only, but the blend of the middle position is determined by the pan KNOB.

Does that make sense? :lol:

 

[golem]

The pan knob sets the "mode" for when the pickup SWITCH
is in the middle. The first and third position of the switch will
always be neck or bridge only, but the blend of the middle
position is determined by the pan KNOB.

Does that make sense? :lol:

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For reasons unknown, that is the 'traditional' controls config
on many dual PU archtops. Whether the PU balance is via a
pan knob or dual volume knobs it makes no difference as to
how the balance control relates to the 3-way selector switch.

And yes, there's redundancy between the switch and knobs.
A kill-switch effect ? Same as turning the volume knob(s) to
zero. Solo the bridge or neck PU ? Player's choice, whether
to use the knob(s) or the 3-way switch.

A very rational explanation there Samuel, but I play these
things and have yet to find any benefit, except maybe for
being in a hurry. There's no automatic rebalancing effect if
you throw the 3-way. It's not like turning a pan knob all the
way to neck or bridge. It IS like turning one of the volume
knobs on a dual volume knob config all the way to zero.

Remember, there is nothing magical about a pan knob. It's
just convenience. Under the knob are two volume pots so
it's same as linking a rubber band over a pair of dual knob
volume controls [if the rubber band makes a "figure-8"].


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If there was ever a circuit that had to have both a 3-way
and the dual volume knobs, it would be the one used by
Gibson, Guild, Fender Japan, and maybe others, where
the center position on the switch links the bridge and the
neck PUs in series wiring. It's kinda confusing to use it at
first, but there are some coool tones to be found in that
center positon, where whichever PU is set lower will also
act as an odd tone contol on the other one, even though
both PUs are still playing. But, turn either PU to zero and
they'll both go silent [series wiring, y'see ... ].

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[anarchyok]

The pan knob sets the "mode" for when the pickup SWITCH is in the middle. The first and third position of the switch will always be neck or bridge only, but the blend of the middle position is determined by the pan KNOB.

Does that make sense? :lol:

Having played the Streamer 08 for a week, thats exactly how it works. Switch up means just neck, switch all the way down means just bridge - the pan knob has no effect in either up or down position. But in middle position, it operates just like a normal blend knob between the two pickups. Smart really!!

 

[boston asphalt2]

The pan knob sets the "mode" for when the pickup SWITCH is in the middle. The first and third position of the switch will always be neck or bridge only, but the blend of the middle position is determined by the pan KNOB.

Does that make sense? :lol:

Having played the Streamer 08 for a week, thats exactly how it works. Switch up means just neck, switch all the way down means just bridge - the pan knob has no effect in either up or down position. But in middle position, it operates just like a normal blend knob between the two pickups. Smart really!!

talk about redundant. Oh well. Guess that switch will stay in the middle position and I will use the pan for all my needs.

 

[Vinnie]

You could use it as a kill switch when you have the pan all the way to one pickup.

 

[golem]

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You could take it out and stuff a pimento in the hole .....


If you really wanna use it as a kill switch, rewire it so
thaz what it does. And it should cut off the battery as
as well, not just kill the audio output, which prolly will
mean a cap across the switch to avoid a loud pop.


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[anarchyok]

You could use it as a kill switch when you have the pan all the way to one pickup.

No, thats not how it works.

You can't set it up as a kill switch. It will simply give you a blend option between them.

Its unlike other bass with the switch (like the star bass) where you do have a kill switch option.

 

[golem]

You could use it as a kill switch when you have the pan
all the way to one pickup.

No, thats not how it works.

You can't set it up as a kill switch. It will simply give you
a blend option between them.

Its unlike other bass with the switch (like the star bass)
where you do have a kill switch option.

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OK. I hear you saying that if I set the 3-way to solo the
bridge, but I spin the pan knob all-the-way to the neck,
that this will NOT cause the bass to go silent, AND that
some sort of "blend option" will result.

So I gotta ask, just how does this thing actually work,
functionally, from the player's perspective ? IOW, what
can a player DO with it, as compared to the 'traditional'
truly redundant set up on so many other basses ?

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[anarchyok]

From my experience:

3 Way Switch Up - only neck pickup. Blend knob not part of circuit, so spinning it does nothing.

3 Way Switch Middle - activated blend knob allowing fine tuning of combinations of both pickups.

3 Way Switch Down - only bridge pickup. Blend knob not part of circuit, so spinning it does nothing.

So the blend knob only comes into the circuit when the switch is in the middle. I'd use it if I wanted a setting where I had one sound with say just bridge and wanted a quick flick to having say 70% neck, 30% bridge. The switch would allow quick tonal changes like that.

So in that way, it can't be set up as a kill switch.

When I had it, found best tone was switch in middle, blend in middle! Simple!

 

[Vinnie]

So... what's Warwick's reason for putting the big switch on if you get the same tonal possibilities with just the blend knob?

 

[Martin Such]

you can carefully set a perfect mix of both pickups (not necessarily being it a middle position) with a pan-pot and then you can go back to it from a neck-pup-only or a bridge-pup-only sound in a fraction of a second. Very useful, really. I've had such 'redundant' controls in this 100-quid korean bass and I loved it.

 

[golem]

you can carefully set a perfect mix of both pickups
(not necessarily being it a middle position) with a
pan-pot and then you can go back to it from a neck-
pup-only or a bridge-pup-only sound in a fraction of
a second. Very useful, really. I've had such
'redundant' controls in this 100-quid korean bass
and I loved it.

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So, the Wick switch really IS the same as many of
those old archtops. Natcherlee it's a conveneince if
you're in a big hurry. I never hafta do anything in
a fraction of a second, so I never use the switch on
basses that have another option [PU-pan or V-V-T].

Of course a redundant switch is NOT a convenience
if you hafta wax your ax and it's just one more item
you hafta wax around ......

I have three basses that have no option other than
a switch for PU selection ..... no PU-pan, no V-V-T.
And jeez, ain't the universe perverse but: each of
the three is a different brand of Leo Bass.

My archtops have both the 3-way and dual volume
knobs, and even tho I never hafta do anything in a
fraction of a second, I find dual volume knobs to be
a real pain on any bass. I do not understand why a
single-knob PU balancer is not much more common
than it is. It's one of the cool things that I dig about
Warwick, where the pan knob is quite common.

Like I said, with dual volume knobs, even pokey ol'
me is glad to have the 3-way as well. But I find the
panning knob to be sooooo conveneint that if I had
both the 3-way and the panning, I think I'd prolly
look for a more useful [to me] way to wire it for a
different purpose [even if it means spending $4 for
a whole new and different switch]. If it's an active
ax with a passive bypass, I know I'd reassign the
3-way for two different treble-cut caps [plus open].


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