CS is of higher quility then a Standard Warwick?

[babebambi]

is it true what this seller claim?


"This is the visible part. The selection of woods are much better, the weight lighter, more resonance and punch and the polished finish (no more wax maintenance ever).
An american standard JB and a John English or a Todd Krause JB CS looks similar too."

 

[Lex]

No... he's not claiming that the quality of a CS Warwick is better than a stock model... he's pointing out the differences between his Infinity CS and a standard model.

 

[babebambi]

"...The selection of woods are much better, , the weight lighter, more resonance and punch..."

he is pointing out the difference, yes...
and he says the difference is for the better, yes?

 

[MaxOnBass]

well, I have heard the same thing but from pretty unreliable sources :/ bump for more info?

 

[Lex]

Wow. Dude don't be rolling your eyes if you don't want an answer to your question. Thanks for the big red bold type but I can read.. just like I did with your post topic: "CS is of higher quality then a Standard Warwick?"... to which I stand by my answer of NO. The quality is the same...

If you want to talk woods.. back in 2007 I believe a standard Infinity was AAA flamed, so yeah his AAAA flamed maple top is considered 'better' but only visually. As for the rest of it, some of these claims are subjective (resonance and punch) and some, well I guess you'd just have to experience in person (weight etc).

Good luck with the purchase if you decide to do it.

 

[babebambi]

Wow. Dude don't be rolling your eyes if you don't want an answer to your question. Thanks for the big red bold type but I can read.. just like I did with your post topic: "CS is of higher quality then a Standard Warwick?"... to which I stand by my answer of NO. The quality is the same...

lol, well, that WAS my first reaction; I immediately edit that out as I re-read my reply :x . However, the red STAYS; its not only for YOU, but for everyone else to know that is what I am referring to specifically.

If you want to talk woods.. back in 2007 I believe a standard Infinity was AAA flamed, so yeah his AAAA flamed maple top is considered 'better' but only visually. As for the rest of it, some of these claims are subjective (resonance and punch) and some, well I guess you'd just have to experience in person (weight etc).

Good luck with the purchase if you decide to do it.

So CS do not get better selection of wood in general, rite?
That's what I heard from Flo too, thx for confirming.

 

[golem]

The seller is also mixing dissimilar fruits. He
is comparing Fender "Master Built" to Wick
"Custom Shop". CS is simply an opportunity
for the Wick buyer step out of the standard
model templates for wood and components,
and of course pay extra for the non-standard
bass that "disrupts" normal production. But
Wick makes no claim that the CS customer is
also buying any more TLC than goes into any
standard normal production bass.

Fender on the contrary has built an image of
the "Master Builders" shop as a hands-on old
school shop with luthiers hand building your
ax, and selecting the woods personally, as if
building a masterpiece ax for their own use.
IOW, the level of TLC is claimed to be huge
compared to a normal factory built version.

Whether the Fender hype is fact or fiction is
not important. What matters is how the seller
is applying the "Master Built" mystique to his
Wick CS bass. A Wick CS is a nonstandard ax
based on a some standard foundation. It is a
"special order", but is not "personally bench
built by a single master builder" ... which is
the Fender schtick [real or not]. John English
and Todd Krause being Fender "Masters", the
use of their names thus implies that a Wick
CS ax is NOT "factory built", which is untrue.

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[Lex]

The advertiser is also mixing dissimilar fruits.
He is comparing Fender "Master Built" to Wick
"Custom Shop". CS is simply an opportunity
for the Wick buyer step out of the standard
model templates for wood and components,
and of course pay extra for the non-standard
bass that "disrupts" normal production. But
Wick makes no claim that the CS customer is
also buying any more TLC than goes into any
standard normal production bass.

Fender on the contrary has built an image of
the "Master Builders" shop as a hand-on, old
school shop with luthiers hand building your
ax, and selecting the woods personally, as if
building a masterpiece ax for their own use.

Whether the Fender hype is fact or fiction is
not important. What matters is how the seller
is applying the "Master Built" mystique to a
Wick CS bass. A Wick CS is a nonstandard ax
based on a some standard foundation. It is a
"special order", but is not "personally bench
built by a single master builder" ... which is
the Fender schtick [real or not].

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Exactly

 

[golem]

I would not deal with that seller. I buy only
the playability, durability and tone of an ax.
You cannot sell me its "Mystique". Mystique
is not something bad ... I mean ... it's OK if
it's free ... but I ain't gonna pay you for it !
A Wick CS, LE, or SE bass isn't BETTER, it's
just DIFFERENT. Wanna get silly about it ?
OK, an LE is hand-signed by HPW himself,
but a CS is not ! Any implications there ?

Yes, there is at least one implication: When
HPW signs the LE's, he is saying "This is our
known-to-be-worthwhile variant, prototyped
and approved prior to production". The CS
symbol carries no such authority, but only
says "This is an untested one-off variation
from the [possibly addled, possibly genius]
mind of one of our customers, and we take
no responsibility for his decisions".


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[babebambi]

I would not deal with that seller. I buy only
the playability, durability, and tone of an ax.
You cannot sell me its "Mystique". Mystique
is not something bad ... I mean ... it's OK if
it's free ... but I ain't gonna pay you for it !
A Wick CS, LE, or SE bass isn't BETTER, it's
just DIFFERENT. Wanna get silly about it ?
OK, an LE is hand-signed by HPW himself,
but a CS is not ! Any implications there ?

Yes, there is at least one implication: When
HPW signs the LEs, he is saying "This is a
know-to-be-worthwhile variant, prototyped
and approved prior to production". The CS
symbol carries no such authority, but only
says "This is an untested one-off variation
from the [possibly addled, possibly genius]
mind of one of our customers, and we take
no responsibility for his decisions".


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I agree completely.

 

[Crossdrop]

Let me say, that the piece of Bubinga I have on my CS corvette, looks much better than that I have seen on stock basses. That's all I can say...

 

[Pedro]

Yes, there is at least one implication: When
HPW signs the LEs he is saying "This is our
know-to-be-worthwhile variant, prototyped
and approved prior to production". The CS
symbol carries no such authority, but only
says "This is an untested one-off variation
from the [possibly addled, possibly genius]
mind of one of our customers, and we take
no responsibility for his decisions".


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lol i like that, too true

 

[Grgzilla]

I've heard that when wood comes in,the more figured stuff is set aside for use by the CS.
As far as it giving more resonance & punch?Well,that's simply BS.
Figuring is an asthetic quality,nothing more.

 

[Florin]

Simply put, LEX is right. You know what the difference with Fender is? Fender is a very big company, and they make a lot of basses... And they they have the Custom Shop too.

Warwick basses on the other hand, all of them are in a way Custom Shop.

When you order a CS you can specify some visual qualities of the wood, or even go there and chose your piece of wood. So, sometimes, CS basses look much better because of that.

 

[Eberbachl]

I do believe there's no doubt that they choose prettier pieces of timber for the Custom Shop over standard models, and rightly so.

As for quality build and tone-wise - having owned basses from both standard and Custom series, I say they're both as good as each other.

:d

 

[EVOLVEBASS]

A Wick CS, LE, or SE bass isn't BETTER, it's
just DIFFERENT. Wanna get silly about it ?
OK, an LE is hand-signed by HPW himself,
but a CS is not ! Any implications there ?

Yes, there is at least one implication: When
HPW signs the LE's, he is saying "This is our
known-to-be-worthwhile variant, prototyped
and approved prior to production". The CS
symbol carries no such authority, but only
says "This is an untested one-off variation
from the [possibly addled, possibly genius]
mind of one of our customers, and we take
no responsibility for his decisions".

I had never thought of it that way, but it makes sense.

I think most of the CS owners on this forum were smart enough to not get too far from the base model. Crossdrop, for example, only changed one thing that would have a tonal effect - and even that was a Warwick-approved option. I have noticed that of the few Warwick CS basses I've seen for sale on eBay (or whatever), they usually got too far away from the base model in some way...

 

[golem]

Yup. The CS label on the back of
the headstock should not always
be seen as a mark of prestige. It
could just as readily be taken as
a warning, a red flag. If you are
not buying face-to-face, just one
more reminder to deal only with
a no-hassle return privelege.

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[EVOLVEBASS]

Yup. The CS label on the back of
the headstock should not always
be seen as a mark of prestige. It
could just as readily be taken as
a warning, a red flag. If you are
not buying face-to-face, just one
more reminder to deal only with
a no-hassle return privelege.

Fortunately for me, Warwick made almost exactly what I wanted in a CS as a LE. The only CS I've ever got a quote for was essentially the LTD 2009 with a birdseye maple top instead of olive...

 

[golem]

I sometimes wonder how much cost difference
would result. Frinstintz, I dig my FNA JazzMan
2004 LE, but how much am I paying for HPW's
autograph and an "LE" s/n ? The LE's fretboard
inlays are a fancy touch I would just eliminate.

If it were a CS order, why even start with an
expensive model like the FNA when I could as
well start with a Vett ? In either case [FNA or
Vett foundation] I'd still be paying for custom
PU routing cuz the 2004 LE has J-TJ PUs which
are a bit different than normal JazzMan PUs.

So, starting with an ash Vett, you add the koa
top, ebony FB, J-TJ PUs [and routing], and the
3-band EQ from the '04 LE. Thaz all ! Would my
CS clone of the '04 LE cost less than the actual
limited run bass ? Even if you add the fancy FB
inlays ... if the CS version still costs less, then
the amount less equals the cost of "exclusivity",
of an LE s/n, and HPW's autograph !

Any experienced estimators wanna take a shot ?
I have no real intentions of ordering a clone of
my LE, so I'm not gonna get a dealer quote. I'm
just curious what the autograph and LE s/n cost.


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[EVOLVEBASS]

I am not one of the "experienced estimators", but I'm guessing the CS would almost always be more expensive with the same options (edit: or even with a few less mods). My quote (mentioned above) for the CS was about $1,800 more than the LE...