Awesome video

[Doog]

I love Indian music, but for that piece I will just say the audience looked slightly less bored than me. Kinda reminded of Steve Vai's stuff, technically mindblowing, but I can't make it through 1 song.

BTW, my thought, if you spend almost all your time above the 12th fret, you're a guitarist playing on a bass.

 

[nik]

i loved the video!

and i really dont understand how someone can say there is no musicality in it.

are you looking for musicality or just shred?

 

[Gman]

are you looking for musicality or just shred?

See my post above. :roll:

I guess my point is that the first clip does border on that Steve Vai self indulgent thing, whereas the second clip (the one I posted) has that incredible sense of understatement, underplaying, melody and syncopation.

Yes there is a sense of melody and syncopation about the first clip but it's soooooo 'muso' that it leaves me cold. 'Muso' doesn't have to be shred to be boring and self indulgent.

There's an awful lot of forum members that have refrained from saying anything about the first clip, I personally think that says loads.

That's it...I'm not going to say anymore or try and defend my pov. It's one of those clips that you either 'get' or 'don't get' I guess.

Peace and love to you all.

G

Edited to be more friendly

 

[Florin]

Aaak, god I can't believe how annoying that tambourine playing was.

Quite possibly the most un-musical thing I've heard in a long time.

G

I've seen them live at the 25th celebration.
That "tambourine" was probably the most spectacular percution instrument I've ever seen.

It sounds like a whole drum set, from deep lows to high notes, in a very musical manner. You can actually hear the music in his playing, and it is amazing to hear that coming from a little drum looking like a tambourine.

 

[nik]

are you looking for musicality or just shred?

See my post above. :roll:

ok yea point taken.

but i just think that the original song has no need for melody etc.
it is an amazing peice as a percussive style jam.

when i heard it it wasnt the different time signatures or fast playing that got me, i just really enjoyed it as a great piece of music.
regardless of the skill needed to play it.

 

[Michael J]

So to say that anything has no musicality when it can be notated and therefore repeated by others (like an experiment), is a bit of an over-simplification.

Much of what is said on this forum is 'over simplification'...for instance, some say a Thumb has growl, yet that's over simplifying the very complex series of tones, overtones, harmonics and subharmonics (blah blah blah) that make up the Thumb sound.

Over simplification makes long, boring paragraphs easy to read, digest and discuss. I think we all know what I mean when I say 'it lacks musicality' in fact I go on to say that it lacks melody and syncopation thus expanding on my previous 'over simplification'.

This Jonas clip is stunning however:

[ame]https://youtube.com/watch?v=pYV-MS5WzJ0[/ame]


G

I have watched this like, a bazillion times. maybe more than that. So amazing... such a genius...

 

[JHbass]

It was cool, i just wish he changed it up more, i understand that the timing was insane but really i mean woody said it right, he basically did the same thing for 5 minutes, i did notice some change ups but he went back to doing the same thing again. I mean maybe i missed a few things but none the less it was cool and still very deserving of kudos.

I must say though i personally hate his bass (too big!), but then again i dont know hellborg well enough so i cant say i relaly understand the purpose for the design of his bass either.

 

[Michael J]

It was cool, i just wish he changed it up more, i understand that the timing was insane but really i mean woody said it right, he basically did the same thing for 5 minutes, i did notice some change ups but he went back to doing the same thing again. I mean maybe i missed a few things but none the less it was cool and still very deserving of kudos.

I must say though i personally hate his bass (too big!), but then again i dont know hellborg well enough so i cant say i relaly understand the purpose for the design of his bass either.

There is a lot of variances in there. Its all just very subtle. I found the video to very gripping... There is another version of this (better, I think.) on bassplayer.tv

 

[BassPlyr Randy]

While I continue to be facinated by the timing and the technacality of this piece, I can't help wondering about all the comments about they just keep repeating the same thing over and over for 5 minutes. Isn't that the very nature of a song? This piece has one main theme, a couple secondary themes, and like a jam section in it. They start with a intro and move to the main theme. As they explore secondary themes, they always return to the main theme. Very similar to a standard song. But seems very much like a typical jazz type structure where they will let individual instruments (soloist) explore a theme, then they all return to the main theme, before the next soloist takes us off theme again. It seems to me that people are put off that there is no melody line persay running throughout the piece and connecting the whole thing together. But this also explains the need for returning to the main theme so much. We also have to remember that there is only two instruments holding this whole thing together. And personally, I think they do an extrodinary job of it.

<edit> I guess it should also be stated that this is not a bass solo, but rather two musicians playing a song.

 

[Michael J]

While I continue to be facinated by the timing and the technacality of this piece, I can't help wondering about all the comments about they just keep repeating the same thing over and over for 5 minutes. Isn't that the very nature of a song? This piece has one main theme, a couple secondary themes, and like a jam section in it. They start with a intro and move to the main theme. As they explore secondary themes, they always return to the main theme. Very similar to a standard song. But seems very much like a typical jazz type structure where they will let individual instruments (soloist) explore a theme, then they all return to the main theme, before the next soloist takes us off theme again. It seems to me that people are put off that there is no melody line persay running throughout the piece and connecting the whole thing together. But this also explains the need for returning to the main theme so much. We also have to remember that there is only two instruments holding this whole thing together. And personally, I think they do an extrodinary job of it.

<edit> I guess it should also be stated that this is not a bass solo, but rather two musicians playing a song.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Grgzilla]

The rules that apply to western music go out the window when it comes to the styles (Indian) Jonas incorporates.This is the main reason why it goes over some people's heads & they cant appreciate the complex nature of it.Their approach to melody & time is completely different to ours.Simply dismissing it as repetitive imo is ignorant.Practically all music is repetitive.

 

[Michael J]

The rules that apply to western music go out the window when it comes to the styles (Indian) Jonas incorporates.This is the main reason why it goes over some people's heads & they cant appreciate the complex nature of it.Their approach to melody & time is completely different to ours.Simply dismissing it as repetitive imo is ignorant.Practically all music is repetitive.

Again, I agree.