Alien Bass

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Hey guys long time no talk...weird.

Just a few things, im heading off to Berklee music
for 5 weeks on a performance scholarship in a
couple weeks. And my dorm doesn't have air
conditioning...:confused: but whatever, im more
worried about getting an upright bass across the
country :roll:

Anyway...im possibly on the market for an acoustic
bass. I was interested in Alien basses. I just wanted
some info on the 3 models...pros/cons...price...etc.

Thanks Guys!

-Kyle
 
Hi Kyle,

Welcome back :-)

3 models - you mean the real Warwick Alien bass, and the two Rockbass versions, right?

Warwick Alien had MIPA award 2 times at Frankfurt Messe for the best acoustic bass. So it is the best of them, but it is not cheap.

The rockbass versions are nice, I've tested them, and they were OK, really good quality.
 
thats pretty impressive...but im sure its out of my price range (warwick one)

How much do the two rockbass versions cost?
 
I tried an older one, probably the first run. Without a doubt the best acoustic bass I've tried.
 
The rockbass versions were nice, acoustically - but I have doubts they would be able to hold up to 1 little heavier strummed a-guitar. If that's not your intention, you will be fine with them.
As for prices - dude, I have the the strong inner feeling that you have the ability to use the internet on your own :)
 
You'd think so but I've actually had a
hard time finding price. I found what
they retail for, but what is the street
price. And where would you go about
getting one?
 
Usually you have to get a quote from a Warwick Dealer for your country, since your in CA we go through a distributor US Music for all US orders. You can go to a Guitar Center and get a quote.

I recommend Bass Central in Florida. They will give you the best price from the start, at least in the case of my LX they started out $300+ cheaper for the same exact order. Not to mention they are far friendlier and more knowledgeable than anyone else Warwick related in the US.



Thats a link to their site and an Alien they had. Pretty sure they might not have it now since their website isnt updated often. Hit them up and they will hook it up I am sure.
 
Hi Kyle, we are not alowed to give prices on the forum, as each country has it's own policy. But you are a lucky one living in US, usually you can find better deals there :-) Just ask a W dealer.
 
The rockbass versions were nice, acoustically - but I have doubts they would be able to hold up to 1 little heavier strummed a-guitar. If that's not your intention, you will be fine with them. ...
That's also true for the Warwick alien - against a finger-picked Martin it can just about cope, but once you start strumming (even on just a 000) it gets lost completely. I guess it might be able to hold its own against a strummed Strat ..... as long as you didn't plug the Strat into an amp! :lol:
 
I think it's really worth noting that all the Aliens are 100% plywood instruments, and from how I understand it, they were designed to be plugged in at all times. There's a real-deal Alien at the music store up the road by my place, and while it wasn't bad, I can't imagine the acoustic-only tone actually holding up.

While I don't want to recommend another brand on this forum, I will say that for unplugged acoustic bass tone, there's only 1 game in town - and let's just say the body shape of the Alien is HEAVILY inspired by it. Any claim that the Alien's unplugged volume matches this bass is just... just untrue.
 
I've seen different, small manufacturers with much more volume - but the corpus of those instrument is waaay bigger.
For me that's the reason I resigned buying any a-bass - if you want standalone acoustic bass tone, you won't get any better than real double bass. A-Basses as such are a different kind of instrument with a very distinct sound that's useable in a lot of different music styles - just not for me personally. A small cheap bass, like the Rockbass models could be nice for home practice, or playing on your own in the nature - but investment of more than a thousand bugs in hope it would be able for acoustic sessions with cajon, 2 guitars ... won't work.
 
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ABGs are not meant to be heard unplugged in an ensemble.

OK, I mean if any builder CLAIMS that their ABG is meant to
be heard in ensemble, then that builder is delusional. I have
played the loudest ABG I've ever played, a luthier-built bass
available locally, used, for under $2000 from a friend of mine.

While it is DISTINCTLY louder, and deeper voiced, than any
other I've tried, it's got about zero utility played unplugged
ensemblewise. It's still an AGB ... i.e. doomed to be amped.

It's impressive in it's degree of superiority, but it still can't
hold it's own. No acoustic bass can. An AGB has less than
half the topside surface of an URB. URBs are routinely either
mic'ed or plugged in for ensemble play [for pizz, anyway ....
arco CAN cut it in certain ensemble situations, mainly those
without drum kits].

To assume that Warwick is not delusional, one hasta allow
that the Alien exists due to market pressure, pressure thaz
exerted by delusional players. An AGB is more fragile and
more awkward than a thinline [aka "semi-acoustic"] and will
sound approx the same in a band with drums. Without the
drums, you CAN hear the difference that the bigger body
offers, a more airy and woody voice. OTOH, and ABG will
feed back VERY easily while a thinline is far less vulnerable
to the same provocation.

A large part of what makes an amped ABG sound "acoustic"
is it's "acoustic" [usually piezo] pickup. A thinline has the
same pickup [some exceptions exist] and the proof of this
pudding is that a thinline is usually not even hollow, but is
just a chambered, or "semi-semi-hollow" body.

Woodworking design concerns aside, another element that
prevents any ABG or thinline from fully expressing whatever
woody voice it may possess is the metal frets. Wooden frets
would/wood sound more woody, but would wear too quickly.
So, if you wanna remove the metal klank from your ABG or
thinline's voice, you gotta avoid frets. A solid body fretless
electric bass with acoustic PUs will sound approx equally as
acoustic as a hollow or semi-hollow that has metal frets.

Finally .... since you gotta amp your ABG anyway, you can't
get all worried about how loud it is ... or isn't ... when it's
played unplugged. You hafta plug it in, and so you hafta do
something to avoid feedback. To reduce feedback, stuff a
fairly large trash bag into the body [access thru the "sound
hole"]. Don't use a thin filmy/flimsy bag, but one thaz stiff
enuf that you can "fluff it up" in there, and expect it to hold
its loft [fill the interior and not settle to the bottom]. This
will reduce feedback and barely effects the airy woodiness
of AGB tone. Look around inside first and take note of any
wiring, etc so that you don't brutalize it in the process.
 
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Agree totaly with Golem here. The ABG that can hold its own in an enseble un-amplified is a myth. Its made from snake wings and whale's shins. I own a cheepee ABG for practice, and camping, it goes OK with a quiet strummed guitar but any percussion : fuggedaboudit.
I have tried the Martin ABG (I will reccomend other brands here-its that kinda forum) and it is fairly loud and sounds great (solid mohogany all round) but its still not loud enough for enseble stuff, and is actually a bit hard to amplify with cheap PA/amps. It does cost several grand as well. Nice, but pricey.
And i am not sure any ABG will replace the sound of an upright. If you need an amp anyway what about an EUB? the really cheap ones are crap but there are some reasonable ones out there which will give you an upright sound that is easier to travel with than a DB.
 
Well since we're throwing brand names around, I'll say the Tacoma Thundercheif is the loudest production ABG out there - but it's true, 'loud' for an ABG is NOT ensemble worthy. For an unplugged ABG to be heard pretty much at all with 2 acoustics strumming away is very rare - but the Thundercheif can do it. The trick? Solid woods, a huge body, and the offset soundhole. Laminates are a quarter of the volume.
 
volume really isn't that much of an issue for me,
i have a small amp that i can take with me. I play
Upright Bass so if i need the volume i'll play that.
I just wanted something convenient and a decent
instrument (at a good price)
 
Phew. :lol:


:eek: Really? I have two Martin guitars (6-stringers, not ABGs) - one laminate and one all solid. Guess which is louder.

dunno about all solid, but laminate tops DO suck tone out of a guitar. i dont think martin do anything with a laminate top. which is why the laminate top on the alien puzzles me somewhat. but i wont comment on the alien till i play one.
 
but i wont comment [...] till i play one.

Sorry, but that's not how it works on the Internet. At least from what I can read. You must comment, especially if you haven't played one.

:-)
 
The real deal Tacoma Thundercheif was way, way louder than my Olympia OB3CE (i.e. the plywood version of the Thundercheif), and the Olympia I only perceived to be a bit quieter to the Alien acoustic sitting at LA Music in Mississauga, Ontario. Oh, another point - to pretty much cut through at all on an ABG, you need to play with a pick (cue a million responses saying that fingers are louder on ABGs). I'm not saying that ABGs are acceptable volume-wise, but you can reduce the damage.
 
I gave up on acoustic bass guitars long ago. None can keep up with an acoustic guitar and nobody ever hears what you play.
Bring your regular wick and a small amp tbh.
 
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