Strange sound on my $$ vette

NKS

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I've recently restringed my bass from a heavy gauge to a light gauge because when I slapped it, it produced a strange sound as if the string was hitting the wood of the bass, after restringing the bass it's still happening and it's really anoying. I've noticed that it only happens when I hit the string hard, which is kind of a problem for me as I tend to hit the strings hard.
Also I considered that it might be because of the batteries either of the bass or my pedals. I have my bass plugged to a MXR DI to a Hartke amp and I have a boss eq throuh the effect loop. The bass has the eq with high trebel, mid on the mids and basses. I'm trying to find out what is causing this sound, is it the bass, the pedals, the batteries or the amp.

Please help meee!!!! :cry:
 



Eliminate all that extra stuff plugged in ....

and don't hit it so hard.

What does it sound like played normally ?
If it is OK that way, then the bass is OK
and it's you or the stuff.

If it's not OK played normally, is it still
under warranty ?


 
Yes its still under warranty. When I play it without anything plugged it doesn't produce that sound as much, it's attenuated but not eliminated, and it only happens if I slap.
I hope the warranty isn't needed as I live in Peru, and there isn't an official dealer here.
 
NKS said:
Yes its still under warranty. When I play it without anything
plugged it doesn't produce that sound as much, it's attenuated
but not eliminated,
and it only happens if I slap.

I hope the warranty isn't needed as I live in Peru, and there
isn't an official dealer here.



Not really sure, but that sounds like maybe a string hitting a PU.
Try lowering the neck PU quite a bit. If it's the fix, then you can
raise it back up til it 's un-fixed, and of course drop it back a bit.

It could be the bridge PU, but the string travel is MUCH greater
over the neck PU.

PU is also a good place to start since it doesn't really mess with
your playability set up [of the neck, strings, and bridge]. Many
slappers wind up with a rather high action, even on a premium
quality bass. It's just how it goes with slap.
 
The thing is, that I used to use my bass in BEAD with the four thicker strings of a five string set. And the first time I used these strings I heard a little bit of what I'm telling you now. And a few days ago I changed the strings and tuned it back to EADG and it got a little worse. My PU are very low as it is since I lowered them to eliminate a little distortion I used to have.
I spoke to my luthier and he told me that the neck is probably causing it since I changed the strings but never modified the neck. Does this makes any sense?
 
NKS said:
The thing is, that I used to use my bass in BEAD with the
four thicker strings of a five string set. And the first time I
used these strings I heard a little bit of what I'm telling
you now. And a few days ago I changed the strings and
tuned it back to EADG and it got a little worse. My PU are
very low as it is since I lowered them to eliminate a little
distortion I used to have.

I spoke to my luthier and he told me that the neck is
probably causing it since I changed the strings but never
modified the neck. Does this makes any sense?



When you first switched to BEAD, your neck would have
had less relief [FB more flat], since BEAD is less tension
than EADG. This would have also lowered the action. So
with that big floppy B-string you woulda had some sorta
buzzin and such.

What I don't know is about your switch to BEAD is:

1. Did you file out the nut slots ?
2. Did you back off the truss rod [for more relief] ?
3. Did you raise the bridge [less buzz above 12th fret] ?

In varying degree, all 3 things usually accompany the
switch to BEAD ..... and therefore hafta be reversed if
you revert to EADG. If you did some of those 3, but not
all 3, that would possibly explain the noise you heard in
your BEAD set up, and the worser noise on reverting to
EADG again ...... all of which is kinda vague due to not
knowing what was done for the switch to BEAD and not
knowing what was later undone to revert to EADG ....

And, in the meantime, the weather may have changed,
which will also affect your relief, thus further obscuring
cause-and-effect about your restringing maneuvers.

Sorry if I'm not making this look easy.
 
:oops: :oops: :oops:

I didn't do any of the changes that you said should be done.
Now Im freaking out, can this be fixed???
Before the change the strings I asked my luthier and he told me that nothing should happen, at least nothing that can not be fixed.
I'm praying that this hasn't damaged my bass.
 
The string switch hasn't done anything permenant to your bass. Just do the 3 things Golem suggested to get the action and truss rod all correct, then let us know. I still think it sounds like it's hitting the pickups... The strings should never hit wood. They hit the frets.

Another thing I've noticed on my Jazzman is that sometimes when I pop the higher strings, my palm is pushing down on the B and it sometimes hits the MM pickup in the neck position. So check for that too!
 
NKS said:
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I didn't do any of the changes that you said should
be done. Now Im freaking out, can this be fixed???


Before the change the strings I asked my luthier and
he told me that nothing should happen, at least nothing
that can not be fixed. I'm praying that this hasn't
damaged my bass.



Ok. Here's what I think I read:

1. You had a playable EADG bass.

2. You strung it BEAD, made no compensations at all.
Other than a slight noise, it was a decent BEAD ax.

3. You restrung it again, back to EADG, but now the
slight noise that occured at BEAD is still around at
EADG, and it is worse.


OK. Thaz what I read.

Here's what I find between the lines:

1. After going to BEAD with no adjustments, the neck
gradually lost relief, due to reduced tension of BEAD.

2. Despite the loss of relief, the action at BEAD did
not seem to be too low, cuz the strings sat higher in
the nut slots [fatter strings]. But the reduced relief
could provoke some minor noises from some notes.

3. Assuming the nut didn't break, the slots may be
partially enlarged from tuning RWs thru it that are
too fat for the slots.

4. You put the EADGs back on. The neck relief should
return to what it had been when you originally had the
EADGs on there. BUT ..... it may be flatter now [less
relief] due to weather change, AND the EADG strings
may be sitting lower in the nut slots than they had sat
BEFORE the slots were enlarged somewhat by the fatter
BEAD strings.

5. Depending on the degree of wear during the BEAD
era, the nut slots may now be wide enuf to let the
EADG strings do a mini-rattle side to side, but prolly not.


OKaaaayyY. I've now laid out all the things that might
not have occurred to you, so you can do something
about them at a reduced level of empuzzlement. Other
than if you cracked the nut [not too likely], nothing
here suggests damage .... just messed up set up.

Now that it's all mapped out, you can apply your set up
skills or take it to the luthier. The nut slots may, or may
not, be reusable. Prolly just a tiny clean up and raising
the whole nut on its adjuster screws will fix that [JAN2
or JAN3]. THe rest of the stuff is just set up. No damage.
You do it or you pay someone. But get to it, so you can
enjoy playing. Don't hesitate for fear of a big repair bill
cuz the WORST damage would be a cracked nut [which
I do not expect].

Basic setup is covered elesewhere [somewhere ... ] on
this site, and in 2.3 zillion places on the web. Nut filing
is not uusally described, but a few sites do explain it.
 
Hey Golem, thanks for the help, I will definetly send my bass to the luthier. Im a little scared do it myself :P
 
NKS said:
Hey Golem, thanks for the help, I will definetly send my bass to the luthier. Im a little bit of a fag to do it myself :P
You'd better learn to make it yourself. This may be tricky at the beginning, but once you master that no one would be able to adjust your bass to better suit your playing style.
 
Did you try simply raising the height of the strings at the nut and/or the bridge??

Could save a lot of time and effort

(sorry if this has been covered, kinda sped-read through this thread)
 
I haven't, I'm not to confident as to do it myself, I'll take it to the luthier I think.
 
I have an update on teh situation.
Changed the batteries, and tried all types of settings from the pedals, the bass and the amp.
There is no sound when I don´t plug my boss eq in the effect loop. As soon as I plug it in, even if it is turned off the sound comes in again.
What do you think this is? The pedal or maybe there is something wrong with my effect loop?
At least I can forget about anything being wrong with my bass :P
 
NKS said:
I have an update on teh situation.
Changed the batteries, and tried all types of settings from
the pedals, the bass and the amp.

There is no sound when I don´t plug my boss eq in the effect
loop. As soon as I plug it in, even if it is turned off the sound
comes in again.

What do you think this is? The pedal or maybe there is
something wrong with my effect loop?

At least I can forget about anything being wrong with my bass
:P


What happens if you plug just a guitar cord
[wtih no devices] across your effrect loop ?

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I'm suspecting you will find that you can play.

If so, then you prolly have a series loop [no
level control on the return], and the switched
jack on the return side has partially failed, in
such a manner as to not allow the front end
of your rig to forward any signal directly to
the power amp section.
 
don't be afraid to play around with the string heights, you probably got all the tools to do it with when you bought the bass and its so simple even i can do it :D

Check out the online manual (on the warwick website) for instructions, even if it is your other gear causing the problem this time it'll be worth finding out about string heights for future reference.
 
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