Profet 5.1 + x?

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Hi there :)
I'm currently playing through a cheap-o 15W combo at home, but need better equipment soon (for band practice and maybe small gigs).
The Profet 5.1 seems to be good value for money, and 500W should be well enough for even slightly bigger gigs, I guess.
Now the next question is what cabs to use?
I thought of a 2x10'' + 1x15'' setup, although right now I'd only need the 2x10'' (that's well enough for the practice room..)
And well, that's where my questions start ;)
1. The 5.1 gives 500W @ 4Ohm, but how much can it put out @ 8Ohm? My guesstimate is 300-350?
2. Have any of you tips for good (and not too pricey) 2x10'' (or even 4x10''?)
Few I looked at:
ASHDOWN MAG210T : rather cheap, but frequency response only from 60Hz?
GALLIEN KRUEGER 210GLX : about the same price, better frequency response but no horn.. (those two have 200W)
HARTKE VX210 : pricier, but 300W
WARWICK WCA 211 PRO: same price as the previous but 400W.
I guess I'll not be able to run the 400W @ 8Ohm 211Pro on the 5.1?

What are your thoughts?
Thanks :)
 
I'm kind of partial to the Eden 210XST if you're looking for a good 500w cab (get the 4 ohm version for that). It's got a nice neutral saound to it with the amp flat and can get plenty loud enough for practice and small gigs. They also have an 8 ohm version for the same price if you think you would want to expand the rig in the future. Best of luck! ~M~
 
Hey tdc, welcome to the forum mate :-)

question 1- you are right :-) But for small gigs 300 W are enough.

q2- there are a lot of good cabinets out there... I'd stay away from hartke stuff if you ask me, don't let the price fool you, they are NOT the same quality as Warwick cabs IMHO.
 
Florin said:
... I'd stay away from hartke stuff if you ask me, don't let the price fool you, they are NOT the same quality as Warwick cabs IMHO.
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Florin said:
Hey tdc, welcome to the forum mate :-)

question 1- you are right :-) But for small gigs 300 W are enough.

q2- there are a lot of good cabinets out there... I'd stay away from hartke stuff if you ask me, don't let the price fool you, they are NOT the same quality as Warwick cabs IMHO.
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I own a Hartke 4.5 XL. The only reason why I still have it is because it was the first REAL cab that I ever got, it was a gift from my Dad wen I was 13 years old. But the thing is not even near what a Warwick cab can sound like. So I'm with you on this one Flo.
 
Hm, but the Warwick has 400W @ 8Ohm, can the 5.1 supply that as half-stack?
And how much W could the additional 1x15'' have for the full stack then? 100W is not that much, is it?
 
I'd buy a 4ohm 411pro, it's not so expensive and you're allright with cabs for the amp (+it's easier to transport 1 cab than 2)
 
I'm getting increasingly confused.. I thought I read somewhere that Cab W > Head W = bad? (the 411pro has 600W iirc)

I guess my first post doesn't really reveal what I want, so I'll try again ;)
Right now I really only need it for the practice room - I know for that purpose a 200W Combo would probably be enough.
But what I want is to be able to "upgrade" it if I need to (-> when we're good enough to let others hear what we do), without getting rid of the old stuff.
However, maybe I'll never need to, so I don't want to spend a thousand € on it right now, because that's a lot of money for me..
So.. that's how I got the idea of getting a better head than I actually need right now (because for the purpose of practice the 3.1 or even a combo would suffice) run a ~250W cab with it and later on just add another cab when I need it.. (*)
Maybe that's a stupid plan, I don't know? (I'm not obsessed with the 5.1.. if that's the wrong tool for the job, just tell me ;))
Hope this clears my intention up and thanks for all the replies so far :)


(*) I'm a bit puzzled.. am I right in thinking that the Ws of two cabs add, so that a 500W head could power for example 2 250W cabs but no more?
 
as long as you only need it for practicing (which i suppose means low volume), a 211pro will be enough, you can always add a 1x15" or a 4x10" later :D

it's basically the same setup i'm going for, the xtreme 10.1+211 for practicing and small gigs, and the full stack for big concerts :D
 
for practice, the 211pro or the neo1x12 would be the best.
it's not a problem if the cab can withstand some more wattage than that the amp can produce, just make sure your speakers are moving at least a bit. a 600w cab is a perfect match for a 500w amp! but if they're "dancing" (or "waving") you're probably clipping the amp (anyway, the profet will also tell you this)
 
tdc said:
I'm getting increasingly confused.. I thought I read somewhere that Cab W > Head W = bad? (the 411pro has 600W iirc)

I guess my first post doesn't really reveal what I want, so I'll try again ;)
Right now I really only need it for the practice room - I know for that purpose a 200W Combo would probably be enough.
But what I want is to be able to "upgrade" it if I need to (-> when we're good enough to let others hear what we do), without getting rid of the old stuff.
However, maybe I'll never need to, so I don't want to spend a thousand € on it right now, because that's a lot of money for me..
So.. that's how I got the idea of getting a better head than I actually need right now (because for the purpose of practice the 3.1 or even a combo would suffice) run a ~250W cab with it and later on just add another cab when I need it.. (*)
Maybe that's a stupid plan, I don't know? (I'm not obsessed with the 5.1.. if that's the wrong tool for the job, just tell me ;))
Hope this clears my intention up and thanks for all the replies so far :)


(*) I'm a bit puzzled.. am I right in thinking that the Ws of two cabs add, so that a 500W head could power for example 2 250W cabs but no more?
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With 500 W amp you can go even to 800 - 1000 W cabs, without a problem.

You can use up to 800 W without worrying ... If you use 1000 W cabinet you must be sure that:
1- you give enough power to the speakers, so they are moving (that's the way they are cooling ;-))
2- you don't use the 500 W amp with master on maximum! That way it will distort, it will give square waves distortion, and that is destroying the cabs aswell.

So, don't worry , 411 pro seems to be the perfect match for the profet 5.2
If you want to upgrade later, buy the 8 ohms version, if you want to use just one speaker, buy 4 ohms.
I can tell you that one 4 ohms 411 cab is more than enough, and later, if you will want to upgrade it is better to change the amp to a tubepath or xtreme, and use the same trusty 411 :-)

I hope it helps, feel free to contact me on PM or email too if you like.

Cheers, FLO
 
i'd say the 4 oh 411 PRO is perfect. powerful enough whether your practising or even medium sized gigs. goor frequency response. its onl;y one cab, its not ridiculously heavy and it sounds great...
 
I am very happy with my Profet 5.1 and 411 PRO at 4 ohms
Sounds great and have a good quality/price ratio.
 
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