Nobel Prize

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Barack Obama won. That was a surprise. Not sure how I feel about that. Mixed thoughts, I guess. Curious as to what you guys think. ;) Interesting I'd say.
 
Well, it does look a bit like they gave him the prize not for what he's done but for what he says he will do. But perhaps the people who decided about that are not so stupid. There are already changes that we can observe - like the attitude of Afghanistan's government towards american one.

Plus, the prize gives Obama much stronger position in what he wants to achieve. For instance, Lech Wałęsa got the prize in 1984, 5 years before what he started actually brought any serious result (breaking the communist system in Poland and later in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, USSR and so on). But he probably wouldn't be a strong opposition in negotiations with that establishment without the prize. In fact, he was in prison at the moment (his wife received the prize) because of political reasons. He probably would never get out of the jail and finish his job without that prize.

That was also the case with Nelson Mandela. Apartheid was still going strong in South Africa at the time of him getting the Nobel Prize.

I believe the prize can be a great help to achieve something great, for someone being on the right direction to do so, rather than a payment for actual achievements.
 
I usually don't interfere in political issues... but I hope you're right Martin !
 
Sorry, not sure he has done anything to deserve this. Gave a couple of speeches in the Middle East...apologized to other countries on behalf of the U.S....what am I missing? Surely there were other candidates more deserving. One person (forget the name) has worked tirelessly to bring peace to Zimbabwe...

Giving an award based on what he HOPES to accomplish?!? That, to me, really seems to devalue the NPP. Hey, I plan on doing a great job keeping my checkbook balanced this year...maybe I should win the Nobel Prize for Economics! :d
 






Well, apparently Pres. Obama is playing
better in Stockholm than in Copenhagen.
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Why would he get a PEACE prize? What did he do that was so peaceful? No American should ever get a peace prize.... America is the most war-hungry country to ever exist. Since the Korean war in the 1950's the US has been at war non-stop.
 
nizzrooster said:
America is the most war-hungry country to ever exist. Since the Korean war in the 1950's the US has been at war non-stop.
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It just seems that way because you live in Detroit... :P
 
The Nobel Peace Prize is turning into a joke. With all the wrongs going on in the world, there's bound to be someone more deserving.

Don't get me wrong, I like Obama, and he is having a tough ride especially at home, but I don't think he is Nobel Peace Prize material, not yet anyway.

Well, that's when considering the 'ideal' of a Nobel Peace Prize. It's mostly a political tool (Arafat?). I think the Nobel Peace Prize should really go to outstanding personalities, not go like the Oscars every year. It should not be a bloody competition!
 
Martin Such said:

Plus, the prize gives Obama much stronger position in what he wants to achieve.
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I'm not so sure. I tihnk it is premature, and it can hurt him (with all the nuts screaming 'Obamaland' and 'socialist' at the first opportunity. Look for the troll Glenn Beck's outrage on national TV, I predict tears).

For instance, Lech Wałęsa got the prize in 1984, 5 years before what he started actually brought any serious result (breaking the communist system in Poland and later in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, USSR and so on). But he probably wouldn't be a strong opposition in negotiations with that establishment without the prize. In fact, he was in prison at the moment (his wife received the prize) because of political reasons. He probably would never get out of the jail and finish his job without that prize. That was also the case with Nelson Mandela. Apartheid was still going strong in South Africa at the time of him getting the Nobel Prize.
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And I'm fine with that. There are many martyrs in the world fighting against oppressive regimes in the name of freedom, I think the prize could have helped someone more in need and more symbolic. Obama's Nobel Prize should represent an acknowledgement of his personal achievements, which he has yet to fulfil.
 
WOW ... I mean wow. Personally, I don't think he deserves it. He hasn't done anything but make alot of speechs saying what hes going to do. So far he hasnt accomplished anything that he says hes gonna do, and frankly, I dont think congress will let him. Woodrow Wilson (SP?) recieved the nobel for the trying to establish the League of Nations, then Congress shot it down. So if we go with Martin's theroy about receiving it for what he says he will do, which I believe is the case, as it was the case with Wilson, then in my opinion, the nobel isn't worth much anymore. I always thought it was for achievement, not just who could talk a good game. Even Obama said that he hasn't done anything to have earned it and will accept the award as a call to action. Hmmm sounds like even more pretty words; lets hope we see some action from this.

But here's food for thought... Through out the campaign he talked about bringing our troops home. I give him credit, he was only one that really said he understood he just couldn't pull them all out at once, but he did say that he was going to bring home 1/3 of them right away. Hmmm that hasn't happened and now he's talking about sending 60,000 more troops to Afghanastan. Yep, sounds like a peaceful jesture to me.

True, the way America is thought of in the eyes of the rest of the world has improved since Obama has been in office, but I give alot more credit for that to the fact GW Bush is gone than I do to anything Obama has done.

Again, I don't believe he deserves it and I am of the opinion that the selection commitee should reward achievement not rhetoric. Give it to the man once he's actually done something to deserve it.
 
PATHETIC. Giving Obama the prize is like giving Usain Bolt the gold before the race. I mean, you know he CAN deliver, but you have to run the race first. Nothing against Obama - I just think it's top grade ass kissing in this case. Giving a proactive peace prize? WTF? If he'd actually manage to create peace in the middle east during his term, fine - but that is years away at the least.

I think Norway should have their nomination privilege revoked instantly.
 
Samuel said:
PATHETIC. Giving Obama the prize is like giving Usain Bolt the gold before the race. I mean, you know he CAN deliver, but you have to run the race first. Nothing against Obama - I just think it's top grade ass kissing in this case. Giving a proactive peace prize? WTF? If he'd actually manage to create peace in the middle east during his term, fine - but that is years away at the least.

I think Norway should have their nomination privilege revoked instantly.
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QFT, I really think it was a pathetic decision.
 
I dont know what to make of this.But my initial thoughts were he got this prize because he's the first African/American president.That on it's own,has displayed that America has taken their first step towards ending the huge divide between races.I dunno if that's anywhere near right,or what.I'm not up to speed at Obama's performance since he was elected.All I know is I breathed a sigh of relief when he was elected.That,on it's own,would've been unthinkable only a few short years ago.
 







While I don't have any problem with
using such a prestigious peace prize
as an incentive rather than a reward,
especially when trying to influence
the man holding the most powerful
office in the world ..... I'm sure that
incentive woulda taken a back seat
to accomplishment, if only there had
been some accomplishment this year
somewhere ... anywhere ... of Nobel
Prize worthiness.

So to me, it's good that Pres. Obama
is receiving it, but not so good that
our world is in such sorry state that
there was no accomplishment this
year to pre-empt using the prize as
an incentive instead.

Nevertheless, given the committee's
decision to use it as incentive, it's a
natural to land on Mr. Obama, given
the challenges that confront him.
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