Jonas Hellborg: philosophy...

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Skimming through the Jonas Hellborg section of the Warwick website I came across this:

Jonas Hellborg said:
Music is part of the human condition, as an art form. Art, including music, is a necessity for human existence. This is separate from the concept of entertainment, as represented by the "Entertainment Industry", which uses the need and the resources of Music (Art) to feed commercial ventures. The truth is we need Art (Music) as we need food and air. More than that, Music (Art) is one of the most powerful forces in any human society. It can and will create change where other means fail.

If we are shipwrecked on a desert island we will try to catch fish with our bare hands and use stones and logs for musical instruments. Luckily we do have access to millennia of human cultural and scientific development. We can use the efforts of countless generations trial and error, experience, vision and insight to make instruments that will carry us much further in the exalted experience that Art (Music) gives us.

If one enters a church of any religion, immediately the accumulated time of devotion that the walls are steeped in will send you in to a contemplative mood. If there would have been a bar held in that church the night before that magic would no doubt be gone. The true intent of any human endeavour will shine through. If you build an instrument with knowledge, devotion and for the right reason, that instrument will have the same power on the music being played on it as an old church will have on the practice of religion.

David Oistrakh could not have replaced his Stradivarius violin with a cheap Chinese instrument in a divine execution of Beethoven's violin concerto. This goes without saying, of course. A "Strad" is Science, Art and Church all rolled in to one. When instruments are made for modern music we have to push the envelope towards that goal. So much about the manufacture of electric instruments is done the way it has always been. And lets face it old electric guitars (and basses) were made the way they were because of chance and availability of material and technology and then just stayed that way because no one complained. They do not have the developmental history of violins and pianos.

This is about basses (Electric Bass Guitars) and their amps. That is what I play. My discipline in Music (Art). When I play my Instrument I want it to be Art, Science and Church. If I turn a knob on my Amp I want to feel that that particular knob was made for the sole purpose of helping the life enhancing experience of Music. When I look at my Amp or Instrument I want to see beauty and hear beauty. When I touch the strings I want everything to merge into one inseparable vehicle for the need to express my humanity. If something has been invented that makes my musical expression richer as a bass player I want that in the chain between my soul and the air that connects me to other souls.

When we eat great meals we need not only taste, we also need sight, smell, music, environment, warmth, an instrument has to be the same it needs to look, sound, smell and feel good. If it's made with respect and pride it will carry all the way to last note being played on it.

Which I found both interesting and inspiring...
What are your thoughts on this?
 
"Hi there. I`d like something to amp my bass"

"Ok, we have this amp that`ll make you Master of the Universe and give your bass all-consuming power that`ll bring peace and end world-hunger"

"Okayyyyeah..what about that 100W combo?"

"You will rock all night and the chicks will love ya"

"Let`s go"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

My clichè-o-meter just went off-scale. I feel sorry for him, not being able to twitch a knob without thinking, re-thinking, and think again over what he just did. :wink: At some points, about history and our ancestors and all, he`s spot on, but it just got overwhelming.
 
Charmand G said:
"Hi there. I`d like something to amp my bass"

"Ok, we have this amp that`ll make you Master of the Universe and give your bass all-consuming power that`ll bring peace and end world-hunger"

"Okayyyyeah..what about that 100W combo?"

"You will rock and the chicks will love ya"

"Let`s go"

LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the other way to look at it!!!!
 
Charmand G said:
"Hi there. I`d like something to amp my bass"

"Ok, we have this amp that`ll make you Master of the Universe and give your bass all-consuming power that`ll bring peace and end world-hunger"

"Okayyyyeah..what about that 100W combo?"

"You will rock all night and the chicks will love ya"

"Let`s go"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

My clichè-o-meter just went off-scale. I feel sorry for him, not being able to twitch a knob without thinking, re-thinking, and think again over what he just did. :wink: At some points, about history and our ancestors and all, he`s spot on, but it just got overwhelming.

But think about it, world peace and the end to world hunger for only 4000Euros... (well, 9000 with the bass), that's sounds pretty cheap to me!
 
Scubadiver said:
Charmand G said:
"Hi there. I`d like something to amp my bass"

"Ok, we have this amp that`ll make you Master of the Universe and give your bass all-consuming power that`ll bring peace and end world-hunger"

"Okayyyyeah..what about that 100W combo?"

"You will rock and the chicks will love ya"

"Let`s go"

LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the other way to look at it!!!!

Yes, thats why I`m getting this:
 
you must be flying kicked in the face then :twisted:

according to your signature anyway!
 
JanVanHove said:
Which I found both interesting and inspiring...
What are your thoughts on this?

It's a very interesting thought, but I totally disagree. Mr Hellborg didn't write what music and a good musical instrument mean or can mean to a particular person or to him only. No, he wrote what music and a good musical instrument simply must mean to anyone.
No doubt that there there are people who feel the same way about literature, poetry, art (sculptures, paintings etc.), sports.............. anything. I dislike being dictated what I do and do not need. It's all about personal freedom. Sorry for being a bit harsch............... :roll:

I know a person, who told me while we were having a good discussion, that she absolutely is not "connected" to music as I am, but she has a comparable passion for visual art instead..............which I totally don't have.............See my point ?? :wink:

Cheers. :D
 
I understand your point, but that's not how I read that text. I see it only as his view of things, and as the philosophy behind the hellborg bass and amp system...
 
JanVanHove said:
I understand your point, but that's not how I read that text. I see it only as his view of things, and as the philosophy behind the hellborg bass and amp system...

If that is the case, then I have zero problems. I actually thought about looking up the actual text, but I figured you copy pasted the text correctly.........It's just a very minor detail that has great consequences in my eyes.................I do share the same passion for music as Jonas (without the skills and knowledge). I am 100% lost without my music..........I just thought it was unfortunate how it was written........... :wink:
 
ThirdthumB said:
JanVanHove said:
I understand your point, but that's not how I read that text. I see it only as his view of things, and as the philosophy behind the hellborg bass and amp system...

If that is the case, then I have zero problems. I actually thought about looking up the actual text, but I figured you copy pasted the text correctly.........It's just a very minor detail that has great consequences in my eyes.................I do share the same passion for music as Jonas (without the skills and knowledge). I am 100% lost without my music..........I just thought it was unfortunate how it was written........... :wink:

It is, as many (well, pretty much all) artist statements: as a be all and end all, as an explanation of life, the universe and everything, but, as any artist statement, it has to be toned down by several notches to reach reality...

So maybe I'm the one who read it wrong...
 
JanVanHove said:
Skimming through the Jonas Hellborg section of the Warwick website I came across this:

Jonas Hellborg said:
Music is part of the human condition, as an art form. Art, including music, is a necessity for human existence. This is separate from the concept of entertainment, as represented by the "Entertainment Industry", which uses the need and the resources of Music (Art) to feed commercial ventures. The truth is we need Art (Music) as we need food and air. More than that, Music (Art) is one of the most powerful forces in any human society. It can and will create change where other means fail.

If we are shipwrecked on a desert island we will try to catch fish with our bare hands and use stones and logs for musical instruments. Luckily we do have access to millennia of human cultural and scientific development. We can use the efforts of countless generations trial and error, experience, vision and insight to make instruments that will carry us much further in the exalted experience that Art (Music) gives us.

If one enters a church of any religion, immediately the accumulated time of devotion that the walls are steeped in will send you in to a contemplative mood. If there would have been a bar held in that church the night before that magic would no doubt be gone. The true intent of any human endeavour will shine through. If you build an instrument with knowledge, devotion and for the right reason, that instrument will have the same power on the music being played on it as an old church will have on the practice of religion.

David Oistrakh could not have replaced his Stradivarius violin with a cheap Chinese instrument in a divine execution of Beethoven's violin concerto. This goes without saying, of course. A "Strad" is Science, Art and Church all rolled in to one. When instruments are made for modern music we have to push the envelope towards that goal. So much about the manufacture of electric instruments is done the way it has always been. And lets face it old electric guitars (and basses) were made the way they were because of chance and availability of material and technology and then just stayed that way because no one complained. They do not have the developmental history of violins and pianos.

This is about basses (Electric Bass Guitars) and their amps. That is what I play. My discipline in Music (Art). When I play my Instrument I want it to be Art, Science and Church. If I turn a knob on my Amp I want to feel that that particular knob was made for the sole purpose of helping the life enhancing experience of Music. When I look at my Amp or Instrument I want to see beauty and hear beauty. When I touch the strings I want everything to merge into one inseparable vehicle for the need to express my humanity. If something has been invented that makes my musical expression richer as a bass player I want that in the chain between my soul and the air that connects me to other souls.

When we eat great meals we need not only taste, we also need sight, smell, music, environment, warmth, an instrument has to be the same it needs to look, sound, smell and feel good. If it's made with respect and pride it will carry all the way to last note being played on it.

Which I found both interesting and inspiring...
What are your thoughts on this?

If you take it out of context:
:wink:

But nonetheless, I could surely have a nice discussion about passion for music and how rythm has affected us. I love discussing music!
 
ThirdthumB said:
JanVanHove said:
Which I found both interesting and inspiring...
What are your thoughts on this?

It's a very interesting thought, but I totally disagree. Mr Hellborg didn't write what music and a good musical instrument mean or can mean to a particular person or to him only. No, he wrote what music and a good musical instrument simply must mean to anyone.
No doubt that there there are people who feel the same way about literature, poetry, art (sculptures, paintings etc.), sports.............. anything. I dislike being dictated what I do and do not need. It's all about personal freedom. Sorry for being a bit harsch............... :roll:

I know a person, who told me while we were having a good discussion, that she absolutely is not "connected" to music as I am, but she has a comparable passion for visual art instead..............which I totally don't have.............See my point ?? :wink:

Cheers. :D

Remember,this is posted on Jonas' website.This is Jonas' philosophy,what music means to him.Like an opinion,not right or wrong.
 
Charmand G said:
Yes, thats why I`m getting this:

If you like Ampeg you definetly must try the tubepath.
:D

About JH Philosophy, I like to see that are people that are thinking music more spiritual than myself ( rock and roll) Is it cliche? I dunno, but after trying the JH Amplification I've read this with different eyes ;-) I can't tell ya how good is it!
 
I've read a few other interviews with Jonas, and it's very spiritual and more about making the music not music, but expressions of one's self. And at the same time a dialogue with the surroundings without really seeing what's going on, but feeling and being one with everything. It's a Zen-like state where you do not play a bass, but exist as one with it.

It's all very mystic and vague, but it sounds good. He's still my favorite of all the performers I've seen over the years, even if he does confuse me.
 
Florin said:
Charmand G said:
Yes, thats why I`m getting this:

If you like Ampeg you definetly must try the tubepath.
:D

About JH Philosophy, I like to see that are people that are thinking music more spiritual than myself ( rock and roll) Is it cliche? I dunno, but after trying the JH Amplification I've read this with different eyes ;-) I can't tell ya how good is it!

Ampeeg rocks... SVT *drool*
 
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