Is It Just Me? - A YouTube Video Lessons Vent

BassPlyr Randy

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OMG, I just watched the first couple lessons of some guys online bass guitar lesson series. I won't name the guy, because I really don't want to bash on someone, especially someone that is trying to be helpful, and he's just one of many many people all doing it, and unfortunately many of them just as bad as this guy. One of the things that struck me about this guy, is he clearly teaches music professionally.

Before I really get into what my rant is about, let me explain that in these times with such easy availability to information via the internet, I think its great that someone can come online and take lessons for free, which allows them to progress at their own speed with no pressure. Also, its great that they can find lessons that cater from the very basic through the more advanced techniques. But in this is where my rant lies.

Is it just me, or when you set out to give basic bass lessons on whatever instruments, don't you have a responsibility to the student? Especially a beginner. Ok sorry I'm ranting and haven't explained what my rant is about. The following paragraphs hopefully will explain.

The instructor actually had a fairly well layed out series. The first lesson was purely the parts of the bass, and while I found some of his termanology interesting I can't whine too much. Personally, when I give lessons, I tell them what I call a specific part and the tell them all the alternate names I know for the part. For example, being fairly old school, I would say Machine Heads, but I have also heard them refered to as tuning machines, machines, tuners, tuning keys, tuning pegs, etc... This was the first time I heard them called string winders, but whatever.....

Anyway... Second lesson, he is going to talk exclusively about right hand technique. He uses a two finger technique. No discussion of other techniques, its his technique period. I could live with that, but his technique was horrible and basically he is teaching his students bad habbits that down the road are going to really hinder their playing ability. For example, the first thing I noticed is he has the students resting their forearm on the top edge of the bass and their thumb anchored on the string or pickup above the string they are playing at the neck pickup position. This causes their wrists to be bent forward at an extreme angle which can/will cause problems with endurance, finger dexterity, and speed. I know that at times I will let my arm rest on the top edge of my bass like that, but that is laziness. A proper right hand technique for no matter what finger or picking style you are going to play, is to keep the elbow up away from your body enough to keep your wrist straight. I find it very irresponsible of the instructor to teach such poor technique. I firmly believe that with students, especially beginners, it is important to teach proper technique and not allow them to fall into bad habbits.

I was tempted to email the instructor and point this out to him, but I am mad and knew I would just babble on, like Im doing here, and not get my point across, so I thought I would come here, where your used to reading between the lines of my babble to get my meaning and see if it's just me, or if you guys agree that these guys need to be called on their teaching of such poor technique. Also, should I call him on it privately or post a comment so that beginners that are watching these videos in earnest to learn will know that it is poor technique and possibly include a brief explanation to improve the technique so that the lessons are then still useful.

Or should I just be happy that these people are kind enough to take the time to try and help beginning musicians and just keep my comments to myself.

What do you think?
 
I think with this happens the same that with most of things in the net. There´s a lot of self declared experts, with a lot of good intentions but with too much lack of information, good and correct technic, etc.

Internet is a very helpful tool to find information that 15 years ago was something we just could dream about, but it´s also a place filled with too much crap, so one have to be really wise in order to get the most of it, and to distinguish whats useful from bull♣♣♣♣.
 
Nacho is right Randy.

One of the great things about the Internet is that there's so much great information out there freely available to one and all.

One of the worst things about the Internet is that there's so much poor information out there freely availlable to one and all.

Often it can be difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. But you know - it's the same in real life too... what if there was a local bass teacher giving one on one lessons, and teaching poor technique. You and I both know there are lots of them out there. Nobody would know about it, and lots of young kids would be receiving poor instruction. At least on the Internet I guess their putting their content out there for peer review so to speak.

It's like in Ian's Ab or G#...? thread. We've posted some great theory information there... the beauty of the Internet is that we're all reading and reviewing it. If one of us posted something incorrect, I'd expect the others to (nicely :d) let the author know their mistake.

If I were a teacher and posted some lessons on YouTube, and someone like yourself sent me some private, constructive criticism I'd be happy to receive it. Maybe you should send him a nice note telling him why you think the technique he's teaching is bad. He might take it on board, or he might tell you to go jump...

Who knows.

:d
 
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i think if it's free you can't bash them to bad but they should also be open to comments good or bad.and i have seen some people tech hand postion wrong for a newbe.if you have been playing for 20years with bad hand posture and it works for you good but you shouldn't teach bad stuff let the student work out for them selves what they like.i had one teacher and he said he realy didn't care how you played he just wanted to close his eyes and hear what you were playing.he said it the end thats all that mattered.
 
At the end of the day if it's getting someone to play then it's all good.I hear what your saying and it's true there are some not so good ppl teaching out there .But as the player progresses he will find his own way and will know ahts good and whats bad.I have been playing bass for years( since 17 years old) in a cover band just copying other ppl's songs.I have had no lessons atall . Only now at the age of 36 am i starting to learn the bass and youtube has been great in helping me :)
 
At the end of the day if it's getting someone to play then it's all good.I hear what your saying and it's true there are some not so good ppl teaching out there .But as the player progresses he will find his own way and will know ahts good and whats bad.I have been playing bass for years( since 17 years old) in a cover band just copying other ppl's songs.I have had no lessons atall . Only now at the age of 36 am i starting to learn the bass and youtube has been great in helping me :)

I'm sorta in the same boat, but I just learn a few techniques and the major and minor scale and work around that.
 
I get your point, Randy, and think it is definitely valid - especially when it comes to flat-out wrong teaching. I think the biggest mistake we make, though, is thinking "our" technique is the only justifiable one. Hey, I've seen comments to put down the techniques of Billy Sheehan (plays ON the pickup) and John Entwistle (uses too much right finger movement to be efficient)!

Speaking of Billy Sheehan, I rememeber him saying something to the extent of "If technique gets in the way of playing music, stop worrying about technique".

Yep, some of that stuff gets on my nerves, too, but if we're gonna stop the madness, why don't we make it mandatory that when someone posts tabs (I HATE those things...) that they are at least key-correct, done in proper tuning, and over 50% correct? :)
 
I play a bit of guitar as well as bass, and I'm really into 12-string guitar. So I recently got a Roger McGuinn tuition DVD. If you haven't heard of McGuinn, you will at least have heard his sound from The Byrds's Mr Tambourine Man, and a few other huuuuuge hits from the '60s. So, he's a professional guitarist, and has been at the top of the business for over 40 years.

On this DVD, he starts by teaching how to tune a 12-string guitar. Now firstly he says you should tune down half a step because there are 12 strings so a lot of tension. Most manufacturers of 12-strings would disagree, and you would think they ought to know what their guitars can cope with, but ok, it's not a big point, and he's not too dogmatic about it.

Next he says you must tune the E-string slightly flat so that the G note at the third fret will be in tune.

My jaw just hit the floor at that point. This guy, this amazing guitarist, who has some of the highest quality guitars in the business, and presumably a technician to set them up, is saying that he doesn't know about setting the intonation on a guitar. And he doesn't even realize what he's missing.

I'm still amazed at this, frankly. But I think my conclusion is that even the best of us have some blind spots. Even the best teacher will, I guess, have some gaps in their knowledge. When we learn, we have to remember that, and get over it.

But if I ever meet McGuinn, I might have a quiet word with him about intonation :-D
 
Good points everyone. I elected to just let it go. I was just in one of those moods and needed to vent. Im far from perfect and really need to be less critical of others.
 
.......yes agree to a point about you tube lessons, but everyone has their own way of teaching, good or bad,
passing on their own good habits and their bad habits without realising. I've been playing and passing on my good and bad for
over 40 years, as for teaching I prefer to teach people to learn how to teach themselves and let them develop into a non clone!
I've seen good and bad on you tube and on the internet in general its the way it is. thanks to the internet I 've managed to catch up with some of my past
music wise that otherwise be lost.
 
kind of hard to fall on either side of this, just because over the years I've seen many players use the different techniques that work best for them. taking into account various phyical limitation of different people, what is proper technique?? what works for one may not work for others no matter how proper is is! . but I agree that if someone is clearly showing something and say this is the right and only way then, yes it should not be done! I could show my right hand finger speed technique, but I'll never say this is it.
I know most people would not like to have there bass straped all the way down to there knees. LOL but thats what works for me. I have to have my right arm totally straight to generate finger speed. would I teach this?? yes.
 
Ned ... absolutely.. I love that attitude, teach them to teach themselves. Absolutely.


You know, I really didn't mean to come off as a pompus ass preaching perfect technique. But I do feel there are a couple things that does require proper technique. What is proper technique and who says so? I agree, people do approach things differently and play differently, and there is nothing wrong with that, but there are some things where, at least I believe, that physics come into play and while yes, you can fight physics, working with it makes life so much easier. And I really feel that when teaching absolute beginners, they need to be made aware of it and, again my opinion, they should be encourged to maintain that technique until they are comfortable with it and profiecent enough to alter the technique if they so desire.

But, that is just me and I agree with the majority of the posters here and decieded to keep my opinion to myself.
 
I believe the electric bass is one of the most diversely approached instruments, by different people.
 
ha ha effects beer!.another gem to add to my collection! on the subject of learning, I've just learnt something on here via a post.
yes its read your instruction manual properly...my only excuse is I was off school the day they did reading.
(am I ramblin again?) yes oh well " ramble on"....effects I only use one effects a Korg Tone works AX1500G and that effects everything under the sun.
I can make my bass do the mental bit in "Whole lotta love" I also put Korg keyboards thru it and my Ibanez guitar.
 
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