Bass tone construction from an engineers perspective!

StoneAje

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Since my band has been doing all of our recordings ourselves I have been forced (and I love doing it) to read all about bass tones and how to construct them but one thing I have found is what bass players generally think of certain freq areas is totally different then what the guy in the studio recording your tracks thinks. I found this amazing chart in one of the books I am reading and it has honestly helped me so much!

The conventional bass mindset is that good bass freqs are around 30 or 40 hz. That's why most bass EQs adjust those freqs but I have found that in almost all cases, Warwick electronics are the only ones with decent freqs! Wick puts the bass at 100 hz and if you use that as your main low end and filter off all of the crap below that you would be amazing how much cleaner your low end will be. I feel the same way about treble. I recently put in an Aguilar OBP3 (bc it was cheaper then replacing my broken electronics) and with the treble set to 6.5k I just keep it turned all the way down. People might think that's blasphemy but with the way I have my tone set I don't loose any high end, only harsh noises that aren't really heard much in the mix but add sound when you're trying to clean things up. I hope this helps and this list below if directly from the book not me! So you know it's good ;)

0Hz to 60Hz:
Sub content to add weight below bass drum. The faster the music, the more should be filtered out.

60Hz to 80Hz:
The range that conflicts with the bass drum. Be careful here.

80Hz to 140Hz:
The range where bass is generally most dominant in a mix. This has to be well controlled.

140Hz to 200Hz:
Muddy, ‘ringy’ content is generally to be found here. Commonly needs substantial cutting.

200Hz to 500Hz:
The crux of the mud in a raw bass signal. Generally needs to be heavily attenuated.

500Hz to 900Hz:
The ‘cardboard zone’. Reduce if the bass is sounding flat and 2-dimensional.

2kHz to 4kHz:
Fret noise and other harshness. Can add intelligibility to the bass in dense arrangements, but can also get abrasive if not controlled.

4kHz+:
Generally safe to filter.
 
Thanks Aje. That's usually the guideline of easy mix for boring bands :d Works for most, but not the best! :d
 
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I would have to disagree. Every mix has it's own problems and of course what equipment you use matters a ton but this is just what freqs generally do for EQing. If you think after using this your band is going to sound boring then you that's on you.
 
I would have to disagree. Every mix has it's own problems and of course what equipment you use matters a ton but this is just what freqs generally do for EQing. If you think after using this your band is going to sound boring then you that's on you.

I know what you mean man. But when instruments are smacked deeply into their roles, that's the easy road for the soundman. But if a band does original stuff, musicians, if they are able, can tastefully wander into other roles at least occasionally and the soundguy's original plan might not work. You know it isn't only single notes or low notes the bass does. The modern bass guitar scale is pretty wide and it's the best ones that find new ways to use the full potential. Soundguy's trouble!
 
[Edit: I totally agree with you but...] I don't see how that has anything to do with this post. Every bass player wants a good bass tone regardless if they are in a cover band or the forefront of bass. That chart is great for helping sculpt a great tone that will cut through the mix and allow you to be heard instead of having a woofy bass tone that disappears in the mix.
I never gave instructions for how to make a tone either, just a chart that better describes what freqs do what for people that might not know as much about it so they can create whatever tone fits with their music.
 
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I love 250 Hz, 400 HZ is Awesome to me, and 800 HZ is the secret for a "vocal" bass sound to me. Nothing about 1000- 2000 hz?

I think the secret is to learn principles, not frequencies. different basses will need different settings :)
We warwick players are luckier I guess, if we have good strings we don't really need eq tweaks, haha.
 
I totally agree that Warwicks are a little different to set up bc they don't really need much adjustments normally. But I noticed when comparing BEC EQs to the Aguilar OBP in that streamer on youtube (I don't remember who did it) that the mids are cut already in our basses too.
 
For front of house mixers who get 5 bands in one evening tho, knowing these frequencies is king.

Also keep an eye on 7string guitarplayers who tend to add to much low end and completely swamp your bass.
 
Also keep an eye on 7string guitarplayers who tend to add to much low end and completely swamp your bass.

My usual EQ setting in that situation is punching him in the face. :D

Thanks for the chart, I'll use it to experiment.
 
I am not a big fan of 7 or 8 string guitars either. They only sound awesome in bands that the guitar player takes the role of the bass player too so I would obv never want to be in that situation. My guitar players both use 6 strings and after talking about it I had them cut off a lot of their low end and it gave me so much more room and their tones sound better too. But there was a lot of info in the guitar sections too.
 
Downward creeping guitar tone can be a nightmare. I played with a guy who would dial in huge bottom and scooped mids to his guitar tone. It sounded good for a metal tone on its own but killed the sound live. It was hard to get through to him that he didnt need to worry about having a huge bottom end in his sound. i was constantly going: " I have a five string jazzman tuned to low A, seriously I GOT THIS when it comes to low end"
 
Ha! More proof a lot of guitarists secretly want to be a bassist.

I would like to add that kickdrums operate at two seperate frequencies. The low 'boom' sound varies depending on size and tuning. While mastering tracks I found they usually sit somewhere between 56 and 66 hz, most commonly near 64 hz.

The click of the pedal hitting the drum sits at a lot higher frequency and probably won't interfere with your bass track. If however you need full control over a not so solid kickdrum, use a multiband compressor for full control over the two aspects of the kickdrum sound.
 
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