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Tone Question....

Discussion in 'Bass Guitars' started by Eberbachl, Jun 19, 2008.

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  1. Eberbachl

    Eberbachl

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    Hi guys - I'd love to hear some comments on tone.

    Don't mind the playing too much - and without knowing anything about the bass, pickups or strings used, how would you describe the tone of this bass?

    (for better or for worse)

    http://www.comcen.com.au/~eberbachl/Music/MercyMercyMercy.mp3

    ....Just curious.

    :D

    Thanks...

    ;)
     
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    Moderne.

    Piano with some growl.

    Sounds like essence of stainless RW and J-PU's, at nealy flat EQ.
    Hit's me that there's some possibility of a piezo instead, cuz the
    strings are so 'defined'. I'd also guess it's a direct recording cuz
    I don't notice any coloration, like you'd get from mic'ing a rig.

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    For better or for worse ?

    It's not a pleasant or musical sound to my ears due to the lack
    of coloration. Kinda more 'mechanical' than 'natural'. I realize
    'natural' isn't a great word to apply to an electric instrument,
    but I hope it expresses the opposite of 'mechanical'. Maybe I
    should say it has a metalic voice rather than a woody voice.

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    I think it's a ash bodied bass with a maple neck/FB. Sounds like a jazz bass. So the tone would be:

    round
    growly
    with sparkling highs (SS strings for sure)
    focused
     
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    Sounds like a rockbass to me. :D

    But yeah, jazz pup growl, round and very articulate. Kinda rough sounding... in a good way.
     
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    I would take a wild guess and say it's a corvette with select EMG's. :D
     
  6. Eberbachl

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    Some interesting comments so far - please keep them coming.

    I promise I will reveal all soon.

    I'm not doing this to try and trick anyone by the way - this isn't a "guess the bass, or guess the pickups or strings" thread.

    I'm genuinely interested in opinions on the tone, and would rather that people judge with their ears only, rather than subconsciously being swayed by a preconceived idea about what a certain type of bass, pickup or string is supposed to sound like.

    Please keep the comments coming.

    :D
     
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    It must be your rockbass, right? I guess we'll have to wait and see...
     
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    Interesting description. I understand (I think) your point, but I read how apparantly coloration is required to make the bass sound "woody". Hmmmm..........I do love the sweet "woody" sound of a jazzy sounding bass, not by definition a Jazz Bass, played through a coloured amp/cab. But that's exactly the reason why it's not THE sound that I prefer. I'd rather like to hear the bass as clean and HiFi sounding as possible. Yeah, I guess one way to describe such a sound is "harsh" and "sterile"...........But hey, that's me.
     
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    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

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    Growly, piano- like sound. It will cut through any band. It might sound a little bit unpleasant soloed, but it will be very sweet and with personality in the mix.
    I like the sound.
     
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    I think the sound suits the piece of music - it's nicely rounded with enough definition to keep the attack clear. It seems to be distorting on my speakers when playing the low bass notes though.

    Recorded direct into a PC via the mini jack socket of an internal soundcard??

    G
     
  11. Eberbachl

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    Thanks for the comments everybody - very interesting - lots of different suggestions - all the way from an ash Jazz with Maple neck right through to a Corvette.

    The bass is my Warwick Bubinga Corvette STD

    ....and not with SS strings either - perhaps surprisingly it was with DR Sunbeam Nickel Roundwounds!

    The pickups are EMG Select Single coil Passive J pups - wired totally passive. (wired Vol/Vol/Tone - CTS 250k Audio Taper pots, 0.047uf tone cap).

    Both pickups on, tone all the way up, and amp dead flat.

    Amp is my Warwick Blue Cab 20, with a line out to my M-Audio USB Mobile Pre, recorded in Garage Band on my Mac Mini.

    For some reason theres a little noise in the recording - some cracks and pops. I don't get that now when recording under Ubuntu Linux and Audacity. Weird.

    Anyway - I welcome all of your input - thanks very much.

    Most of the tonal observations I pretty much agree with. I like the EMG Selects, despite them being a cheap pickup. They're made really well - epoxy potted just like the MECs with very nice shielded coaxial cable. Of course they exhibit the common amount of noise (for a single coil) when each pickup is soloed, but in a well shielded bass it's virtually gone, and of course, they're RW/RP so when both pickups are on, the little remaining noise is totally cancelled out.

    The one thing that bugs me a little with these pups is sometimes the low mids aren't quite as articulate as I'd like, but mostly I find them nice and growly, clear and with a pretty deep low end.

    I'm trying these pups in my Rockbass Corvette with SS strings tonight.

    If I get it done in time, I'll post a comparison.

    :D
     
  12. Eberbachl

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    Not sure - I'm not getting any distortion here.

    The device I use is an M-Audio Mobile Pre USB audio interface. This recording isn't brilliant - I did it a while ago on my G4 Mac Mini in Garage Band.

    These days I record in Audacity on Ubuntu Linux with the same M-Audio device, and get much better results.

    I'm not blaming the Mac though - I'm sure it was my configuration of it in Garage Band that was lacking rather than the machine ;)
     
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    I checked out the Bass Emporium for descriptions of DR Nickel Sunbeams:

    http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=NMLR-45

    The reason they sound like steel is that they ARE steel. Nickel plated
    steel strings are NOT nickel strings, and from the sound of your posted
    sample, I'm thinking you might like some real nickel strings. D'Adarrio
    has them, but even from D'A, you gotta be careful about the labeling on
    the package. D'A nickel plated steels are labeled "Nickel Wound" while
    their real nickel strings are labeled "Pure Nickel Alloy".

    If you read the descriptions at the links below [more D'A strings at Bass
    Emporium] you will notice the 1st URL leads to pure nickel string while
    the 2nd URL leads to nickel plating, yet the package for the 2nd set is
    labeled "Nickel Round Wound".

    http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=ENR71-5

    http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=EXL160-5

    Finally, here's a link to one of the most fanatically loved real nickel
    strings, again at the Bass Emporium [but available elsewhere]:

    http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=EB345

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    well it really sounded jazz bassish with a bit more attack than the one I have (hence the idea of the maple board)...
     
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    Thanks Golem for your post! Every day I learn something new :)
     
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    Yes.

    I know they're not pure nickel, and that they are nickel plated...

    My most sincere apologies for the omission. :roll:

    It's very common (as you've pointed out) to call a Nickel Plated roundwound a "Nickel String". I didn't call them pure Nickel roundwounds. I promise to be more careful. :roll:

    Nickel Plated steel strings however sound distinctly different to stainles steel rounds - even with their steel core.......
     
  17. Eberbachl

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    The very interesting thing I find from this experiment is that my Warwick Corvette Sounds more different with different pickups and strings, than a different bass does to when fitted with the same pickups and strings.

    (if you follow me......;) )
     
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    I follow mate - you're saying the strings and pickups seem to have the hugest influence on tone, no?

    Oh by the way, I've got a Profet 5.2 sitting at home, and mate, this amp is loud!!
     
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    I follow mate - you're saying the strings and pickups seem to have the hugest influence on tone, no?

    Oh by the way, I've got a Profet 5.2 sitting at home, and mate, this amp is loud!!
     
  20. Eberbachl

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    I'm careful to make such a broad statement, but pickups and strings certainly do make a BIG difference :D

    .....the Pro FET 5.2s have arrived?!

    That's great - that means the one I have had on order from the Bass Centre since they were announced will be ready to pickup!

    :D :D :D
     
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