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Tone live verse playback

Discussion in 'Bass Guitars' started by Warfender, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. Warfender

    Warfender

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    I'm not sure if this is just me, but my bass tone always sounds different while playing verse listening to it on playback or have someone else play my bass and hear it's tone as a spectator. Is there something in the brain that doesn't let you fully hear what is being played while playing? If I put my delay on and play something and listen to it on delay not playing, it sounds diffeent to me.

    Is this why we are always searching for the perfect tone, is that we don't fully hear it while playing?

    Maybe I'm screwed up in the head...lol
     
  2. paperbag1213

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    Its just like our concept of our "real" voice I think. If we talk we already have a pre-conceived notion of what we sound like. If we had our voice recorded, we all usually go is that me? I think that is how it is on our instruments also.
     
  3. golem

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    First the Sentencing, THEN the Verdict ....





    I'm not sure if you're comparing recorded sound
    to live sound, or stage sound to audience/house
    sound, or what .... but you're not crazy. None of
    this is some illusion unique to you ! But, all of it
    IS illusion. After all, electrons are actually silent
    .... except maybe during thunderstorms.

    Recording causes compression and coloration of
    sound, whether you record direct or mic'd. There
    is no "real", "authentic", or "original" voice to a
    band or to any electric instrument.

    I like to go out on my wireless and listen to the
    the house sound. That, at least, is some kinda
    "authentic something", being what an audience
    is actually experiencing [well, if they're actually
    listening ... ]. But, it's NOT what you'll capture
    on a live performance recording, no matter what
    skill and gear is applied to the job.

    It's all "thru the looking glass". Maybe thaz what
    was on Grace Slick's mind, in "White Rabbit" ....

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    Then again, the reverse can be equally effective.
    Often, the "perfect tone" we are seeking never
    existed in any place or time, at least not directly
    eminating from anyone's bass rig. Frinstintz, I
    dig the "Motown Sound". This is usually created
    by mic'ing a bass cab, mixing and EQing a tape,
    cutting a master, pressing to vinyl, and playing
    the vinyl in Wurlitzer juke box. Thaz not a very
    practical process for live playing, and even IF it
    can be decently simulated live, just think what
    happens if you RECORD it .... if you do, you've
    got "twice-processed" tone, a recording of a
    simulation of recording-and-playback. Maybe
    thaz triple-processed ... or worse.

    I wanna sound good during practice for my own
    enjoyment. I wanna sound good live for sake of
    the audience appreciating it [if they're actually
    listening ... ]. If I were recording I'd want that
    to sound good as well, just cuz well WTF, right ?
    And I don't give a ratzazz whether all these will
    sound alike, or match some ideal in my mind or
    mimic some "original" version. All I care is that
    each will sound good, whatever THAT means at
    some moment in my life.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    I DO care about tone. I have 60 zillion basses
    and no two sound the same, cuz I enjoy variety.
    This accumulation is not the result of seeking a
    "holy grail" of tone. It's the result of "hey, this
    ax sounds cool, and it's affordable, and easy to
    play [or looks weird, or whatever].

    IOW I got no expectations, only reactions +/-.

    Now, as I said, you are not crazy. Maybe I am,
    but I play mainly in a duo, where I can really
    hear myself, and so likewise can the audience
    [if they're actually listening ... ]. Now lemme
    tell you who else is crazy, more crazier than I
    might be: Anyone equally tone-driven as me,
    but playing in a louder band to a louder room,
    and especially with a lack of any consideration
    of band-oriented arrangement. Thaz big crazy.




     
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  4. Warfender

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    Paperbag,
    so true...I guess this makes sense now.
     
  5. Warfender

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    Golem,
    good points....your elaborate detailed response are so welcomed. thx.
     
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