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The 10 Worst Acts In The Rock Hall . . . And The 10 Best

Discussion in 'News & Events' started by RIP, May 3, 2018.

  1. jester

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    @Foal30 , the moment your phone changes your word to something else, you can press delete once and it will undo the change, then you can continue typing. I think.
     
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    And I was hoping to keep it that way. ;)

    That much I agree with.

    Whether that's true or not has no real bearing on whether usage of odd time signatures is "natural, normal, or kind". You should check out Ivo Papasov sometime. He plays Bulgarian wedding music. This is music people dance to. And the time signatures could make Frank Zappa sweat.

    Again, I'd agree that prog-rock is rooted, at least in part, in classical music. Zappa got those rhythms from Stravinsky and Bartok. But Stravinsky and Bartok got them from Eastern European folk music. What could be more "natural, normal, or kind" than folk music?

    So odd time signatures are unnatural... except when they're not? ;)

    If what you're saying is that forcing an odd time signature into a tune just to be "complex" is unnatural, then I agree. What happens with me is, I've listened to so much non-4/4 music that sometimes I write a riff and it just happens to be in something weird. I don't even know what time signature it is sometimes, until I count it out.
     
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    And sorry if I'm being pedantic here, but I can't let this go. "Money" is in 7/4, not 7/8.
     
  4. ectoflanger

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    Is it really? Interesting- I know that they switch to 4/4 for the guitar solo.
     
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    Thanks for the candid and very interesting info Steve, I was completely oblivious of this fact.

    To invert your statement a bit, odd time signatures do not sound "natural, normal, or kind" only because our ears are saturated with 4/4 music. I still remember a tv show where the US ambassador was invited and it was very amusing watching him try to count 4/4 by clapping over a 9/8 dance, haha.

    Balkan traditional music (of which Greek traditional music is a subset) is full of odd time signatures. I think Bulgarians are known to go really medieval with that stuff. :)

    Here's something from Greece as a testimony of such musical features, to wrap your musical minds around.



    The time signature of the song starting at 00:30 seems to be 7/8. For the song starting at 6:00 it seems to be 5/8. Tempos are high and playing is not rhythmically perfect, so it's not very easy to tell. But you can clearly see everyday people chose to *dance* over those measures.

    These specific dances actually originated from a Greek population that lived in what is modern Bulgaria and were exchanged with the Greek Bulgarian minority population after the Balkan wars, thus the heavy Bulgarian odd measure influence. The first dance is called "Bogdan". :)
     
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    I just came across these and just couldn't not share. Bulgarian music beautifully played by a trio from Israel. 11/8 and 15/16, not for the faint of heart. :)



     
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    Damn forum that doesn't feed trolls.

    :)
     
  8. Foal30

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    I'll hopefully have a listen tonight.
     
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    @ectoflanger

    Cheers for the Khan heads up
    That's AJ on bass for sure. I feel that track in 3/4 on a cursory listen that's just a waltz to me.

    I'm going to try and buy that record really appreciate the suggestion bro.
     
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    Totally saying that numerous PROG tracks "feel" to suffer from odd time nonsense.

    Another example of my growing intolerance of poor musical selections is overindulgence of slapping.

    Clearly I am getting old...
     
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    You’re welcome- I got mine from the iTunes store.

    By the way, that was Alan Holdsworth on guitar-
     
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    I sure would have put The Who and Yes on that top 10 best list long before I'd even get around to thinking about Nirvana or The Ramones.
     
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    Agreed, but as I’ve probably posted before- the concept of an established ‘hall of fame’ seems like an oxymoron for rock’nroll.. Rock’nRoll was about rebellion or people outside of the fold, not some contrived institution’s black tie event labeling someone as ‘mister most best’.
     
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    Yes is definitely a No for me

    (I've always wanted to say that, stay calm PROG Fans)
     
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    What about “Maybe”? Sounds pretty philosophical don’t it?

    So FOAL, speaking of prog rock, did you ever check out UK’s eponymous LP?

    By the way, prog rock, what does that really mean? I suppose it’s a convenient term of the critics for a band that uses a mellotron?

    Sorry it’s late and it was a long day ...

    Cheers all!
     
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    Not yet but maybe one day
    I'm in my busy season only did some Bass work today cos it's poured down all day

    I also only buy physical recordings, never downloads. I can barely use this IPad but I know it's not built for listening to music properly
     
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