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Rockbass Streamer STD 5 pickups issue?

Discussion in 'Bass Guitars' started by yustech, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. Charmand G

    Charmand G

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    That`s how it is. You can either blame Rockbass for making an entry-level bass with low output, or one can blame oneself for not buying another bass. There`s posts back to 2013 and 2008 on the googlenet, all about low output, so: research.

    I got the chance to test a Streamer Std. in Oslo a few weeks ago, through an Ampeg SVT-3, and I was pretty impressed. I absolutley love the Streamer- and Corvette-shaped bodies, the feel and weight was really comfortable. The sound was pretty nice and mellow, and with a little EQ`ing I got a nice round slap tone. That being said, I have had better entry-levels than this. Not as pretty, but better sounding.
     
  2. yustech

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    Dear Florin

    From your comments,I believe you are working for Warwick.In case you didn't read what the other point was about,let me clarify.

    I came across 2 Warwick Rockbass Streamer Standard 5.

    Streamer A pickups registering approx 1.6k DC Resistance.

    Streamer B pickups registering approx 6.2k DC Resistance.

    Clarify me which is correct?I will contact my client and accompany him to return the faulty pickup sets through your authorized dealer here in Malaysia.

    Thank you
     
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  3. What is all of this CRAP about entry level? Newsflash: A $500 bass is nowhere near entry level! If the majority of you disagree then this site is way too high-brow for me.:(
    Blind loyalty to anything, especially a brand of guitar, is a terrible thing.
     
  4. DemBoneZ

    DemBoneZ Supporting Member

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    Its not entry level in the bass world. Entry level bass world would be a casino or ashton bass and you get a lead and a 10w amp etc

    This is considered "entry level" in the warwick line of products

    I got german wick and Rockbass and i enjoy them both as much as each other and have been using the rockbass for gigs recently. So it sounds great and is as reliable as any of my germ wicks.
     
  5. The $20 Chinese truss rod fix.
    Before adjustment:
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    After adjustment:
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    Well whaddaya know, it works!
    After I popped the fretboard off and had a look at the stock truss rod system, I knew it couldn't possibly work; a just plain flawed design.
    All the rationalising in the world won't make me disbelieve my eyes. All of you upper-crust, big income earners, try to be helpful.
    I'm nowhere near giving up on this guitar yet, but certain of the blindly faithful here...
     
  6. So enlighten me: why in the world would anybody buy an "entry level" Warwick when you can buy a Mexican Jazz for the same amount but isn't entry level?
    Do you realise what you're saying?
     
  7. DemBoneZ

    DemBoneZ Supporting Member

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    I can’t tell you why someone would buy something and not buy something else.

    I can tell you why I brought a rock bass and didn’t buy a Mexican fender - I don’t like fenders... if I liked fenders, I probably would have.

    If you’re talking about price – I brought my rockbass for $200. I used to have a Mexican fender I brought for $1400. (which these days i know is over priced but oh well)

    I would call a fender squire an entry level fender and I would expect to pay around the $100-$500 mark
     
  8. DemBoneZ

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    enlighten me on what the problem with the truss rod was??
     
  9. Why someone would buy something but not something else: value for the money spent, of course.
    About not liking Fenders; all of mine have been good to me, why wouldn't someone like that?
    Price: new in 2006 Streamer standard 4 string, $400-$600, is that about right?
    New in 2012 mexican Jazz; $529 at Long& McQuade.
    I still have high hopes for this guitar, but this "entry^%&#ing level" horse♣♣♣♣ is pissing me off.
     
  10. DemBoneZ

    DemBoneZ Supporting Member

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    "Why someone would buy something but not something else: value for the money spent, of course"

    If you offered me a fender for free i still wouldnt take it.

    i said the Streamer STD and Corvette basic are entry level in the wariwck line of products. You cant go any lower with a W on the headstock.

    You will need to ask warwick why they priced their entry level more than other bands.

    Relax
     
  11. Florin

    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

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    Actually a Corvette Basic Active 5 for example kicks major Fender MIM Deluxe 5 that costs twice the price. I have them both in my shop :)
     
  12. AsturHero

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    i don't titulate Rockbasses as beginners/entry level basses.
    FOr me it's only the lower cost variants from the big German BAsses.
    Std. Rockbasses have cheaper woods or woods with no stunning grain, the shape isn't as contured like the germans one, the PU's are the same, most of the hardware are the same, for that a Rockbass can wear the "W" on the Headstock.

    From time to time, you can catch an brandnew RB STreamer in german shops for 375 €, thats a bargain.
    And in second hand market, a STreamer often can get for 100-150 €...nowadays, i advice an beginner better invest these 100 € in an used Streamer, as in a 100 € HArley Benton, J&D, Fernandes etc. etc.

    Even RB Corvettes or RB Fortresses can be catched used for 150-180 €.

    Mostly the problem of cheaper HArley Benton, J&D etc.etc. is not the build quality as the electronics and the PU's....
    If you upgrade the Pickups so you spent 100-200 € more on that 100€ Model..so in total you have spend 300 €..in that regions you can catch a good Rockbass or even german Wicks (rare).
     
  13. yustech

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    May I advise some of you admin,enthusiast,members behave yourself and respect this thread title.I don't have to remind all of you that the whole world is reading this.

    Here's what this thread all about.Its about two things.The pickup dc resistance measurement and the awkward pots value it came with.
    I guess the pot values were not a mistake and as standard displayed in the official schematic.No worries.I got it swap and its the least of its problem.

    The other is me finding/receiving 2 Rockbass Streamer 5 std with each having a different set of pickup resistances as written above.
    I'm seeking to know which is the faulty to have return for a replacement to the authorized dealer.All this beating around the bush is ridiculous don't you think.My Rockbass owner thinks so.

    Where is your responsibility on this matter?wouldn't anyone from warwick or MEC want to know whether this flaw did affect one or the whole badge?

    Please dear respected Sir/Madam.I'm here to get a solution on behalf of my paymaster whose was yours too through your dealers.

    I advise the Warwick Rep to look into this matter seriously for it involves not Fender but your products.


    Lastly we don't care who kicks whose ass as long it functions and serves its purpose.
     
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  14. DemBoneZ

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    I don't think this forum is really what you are looking for. If you want official communication from Warwick reps, your not going to get it here. Florin is the only rep on the forum and he is a busy guy touring the world and only monitors the forums.

    The forums are just for the general public for fun/banter and we can only offer you whatever we feel like typing.

    I would suggest to contact Warwick directly, which I know you did initially but now that you have a more in depth enquiry, you can request an official in depth response. You would even get a response from HPW himself.
     
  15. ericrausch

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    Dear yustech, i had the same issues with two rockbass streamers std that one client of mine has. The first one was an old 5 string rockbass, and the second a new rockbass 4 string std fretless. In both cases the pots were 25k, and the pickups measuring trew values of 1.6k. after some deeper investigation, and thanks to the information you've provided on this thread, i can realise now that the pickups that trew the 6k measurement have their coils in series, while the ones that trew 1.6k have their coils wired in parallel configuration. You can see the diference between resistors in series and parallel wiring in this picture

    http://www.electronics.dit.ie/staff...ing_1/resistors/resistors_series_parallel.gif

    Despite of all this information, and the reclaims made to warwick and MEC, their replies are always the same "the pickups are intended to be that way, and that's what low output means"
     
  16. Florin

    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

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    Dear Yustech,

    Yes, I work for Warwick, for this forum to be specific. It means beside the administrative work, I gather valuable information like you provided, and pass it to persons in charge.
    ericrausch, your theory about coils linked in series/ parallel sounds legit, I will pass this report to mr Hansal, and come back with an answer.
    Thank you!
     
  17. AsturHero

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    instead of discussing the low output, why not put in a cheap or midprice active electronic in it (about 25-50€), there is plenty enough space/room to implant in the STD Streamer an active electronic ;)

    the RB Streamer STD electronic is build more than 10 years in this manner..don't thing that their will change it ;)
     
  18. yustech

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    Thank you Florin for your concern and interest on the the pickups furthermore the thought of bringing to the qualified eyes in the company.Should you need the serial for the two,I'll gladly pass it.Kudos.

    Hello Mr. ericrausch,to begin with,Your're most welcome.I understand what you trying put across but these pickups has only 2 conductor each(pictures on page 1).The flaw I believe is internal from the factory(unsure which).Its also epoxied denying any way of rewinding it(the thought never cross this writer's mind).Anyway speaking of the subject that is series/parallel and assuming each coil in the pickup is 3k.A series would make it 6k,a coiltap would shut one coil back to 3k and parallel would make it also two 3k working simultaneously.At this time the only way to get 1.6k is to assume each coil is 1.6k wired coil tap or parallel.should one able to wire it series,its still come to 3.2k well short of 6k.I have no other choice but to say this pickups are faulty.
    resistors_series_parallel 2.gif

    To some of you that's here for the fun/banter and whatever you feel like typing.As you were.Cheers!:p
     
  19. ericrausch

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    I think you didn't quite understand what i was implying, i believe it's more like this:
    resistors_series_parallel.gif
    Being the series configuration the 6k pickup and the parallel configuration the faulty 1.6k pickup
     

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    I see.my bad.i must have spent to many hours on the DMM than on paper.however we are on the same page about the faulty pickups (1.6k) and the good should be 6k as found in one 2014 RB Streamer Std 5.

    Thanks again mr ericrausch.
     
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