Questions about Framus Custom Shop guitars circa 2011

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Hi guys!

as I mentioned in the introduce yourself thread, I have never played a master built but have played team built.
Now I know someone who is selling a custom shop Framus made in 2011, so I have a few questions (as he is unsure himself):

1) is there a way to tell if a custom shop then was the equivalent of a teambuilt or master built, and/or is there someway to check? Like does the serial number indicate anything?

2) are there any opinions on how the custom shop was then compared to present day? I ask because for example with ESP any model older than 5 years or so I haven’t been impressed (even with custom s shops) but have found newer esp Japan models to be amazing.

thanks!
 

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Custom Shop is like Master Built, but built to someone's personal specifications (wood choice, colour, types of frets, almost whatever you can think of!). Maybe they pay even more attention to CS than MB? I don't know. All I know is my Team Built is excellent!

I am not aware that Framus Custom Shop guitars from 10 years ago were any better nor any worse than today. Our member @Hardy has ordered a few Warwick CS basses, maybe he can add a comment?

If you have the serial number, you can email it to Framus and they will likely reply with any info they have on it. It may take some time to get a response.

Were I in your shoes, I would more be concerned with how the guitar was treated / stored etc... Even the best built guitar in the world can turn into an unplayable lump if not stored or cared for properly (damp cellar, hot attic, left in a shed / garage etc).
 

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The CS gear is and was always top range. @Hector is right, it‘s far more important to check the current shape of the guitar. And sound, looks and playability are always a matter of taste. Be sure it was a very good instrument when it left Markneukirchen.
 
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Thanks guys! it has some dings-it's listed as "very good" and he says it's got some oxidation on the hardware etc but the price is insane! We are talking under $2000 US dollars so I may just have to jump on it!
 

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Thanks guys! it has some dings-it's listed as "very good" and he says it's got some oxidation on the hardware etc but the price is insane! We are talking under $2000 US dollars so I may just have to jump on it!

Don't let your eyes get glazed over..... That's still a lot of money for a guitar. I recommend you go to see it and play it first, before spending that amount of dosh on a 10 year old used guitar... In fact, I recommend playing any brand new guitar before buying it!
 
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Don't let your eyes get glazed over..... That's still a lot of money for a guitar. I recommend you go to see it and play it first, before spending that amount of dosh on a 10 year old used guitar... In fact, I recommend playing any brand new guitar before buying it!

agreed, if only I had the means to try everything I wanted first haha
 

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agreed, if only I had the means to try everything I wanted first haha

How about driving to go look at it? Turn it into a weekend road-trip.... It's all part of the hunt....
 

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around 2011 the custom shop quality and features increased. Probably at the time when Mr. Spangler joined Warwick.

It was nice before - then it became outstanding.
 

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btw the teambuilt, masterbuilt nonsense is mostly feature related.
 
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around 2011 the custom shop quality and features increased. Probably at the time when Mr. Spangler joined Warwick.

It was nice before - then it became outstanding.

ah ok, so this guitar in question may just make the grade or just missed out haha
 

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ah ok, so this guitar in question may just make the grade or just missed out haha

I find there a lot more factors than who was in charge that day. For instance, did the person painting the guitar have a fight with his girlfriend/wife that morning? Or is a family member in hospital with some horrible disease, or did one of his friends die the other day? Or has he been slaving away for years working as hard as he can and just got turned down for a promotion / raise ?

All of this can have an impact on work.

Frankly, the only way you can know if the guitar is good, or if it works for you personally, is to go and try it. The rest is all just guesswork.

I had this with a SG3 I purchased a few years ago. It looked well beat up in the photos, but in real life it was not so bad and felt a dream to play. So, guess what? I bought it!

I've also tried a 2019 Gibson SG Standard when I learned they had FINALLY put a non-"slim taper" neck on it. It was what I had been waiting for. Turns out the factory sent out a whole series of the guitars without bothering to round off the nuts (rectangular blocks of white plastic with sharp edges on all corners), nor to wipe off all the polishing compound, and also forgot to polish out all of the orange peel from the finish. I am being 100% serious, wish I had taken a photo.
 
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