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Fafnir- Customshop For Stainless (reversed Dragon Wing+buzzard)

Discussion in 'Bass Guitars' started by Stainless, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. Stainless

    Stainless

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    @according to Hardy I have to start this thread ;)
    I actually kind of like the Dragonwing Shape from Alembic more than the Buzzard.
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    Alembic1 (1).jpg Alembic2.jpg Alembic3.jpg Buzzard.jpg Buzzard2.jpg
    But I am thinking of improving the ergonomics with a longer horn to the 12th fret (e.g. Fortress One). Does this make sense?
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    Other specs I want for this bass:
    34', neck-trough wenge neck, green quilted maple body(like dragon skin :) )
    two SPB-4 Seymour Duncans, and a Noll PM-3 B2014.
    ABM brass saddle (Just A Nut I)
    Warwick Bridge.
    Black or golden hardware.
     
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  2. Hardy

    Hardy Supporting Member Good Vibe Sponsor

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    First of all: that longer upper horn would make no sense and would destroy not only the balance but even more the looks of those basses. Imo you can’t combine the long wings with a long horn.

    The balance: the Entwistle basses are meant to be played worn high, the wing is an armrest. If you decide to wear them low you should not wonder that they get out of balance. I found a way to improve the playability a lot if worn low, but for that I had to order a Custom Shop.
     
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  3. Stainless

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    Yes, I will do a few test how to improve it and make it best for me. Perhaps i will have a shorter wing( like on the right side,) and a long horn...

    And yes of cause it will be a custom shop. I am thinking of Magnus Krempel or Kraushaar Gitarren ;)
     
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    jester ocdemon Moderator

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    There's another important factor influencing "good" balance, besides the fret that the upper horn reaches. That factor is the distance of the upper horn pin from the neck. The Fortress has a long upper horn but also a long distance of pin to neck. It sits a bit oddly on you more like a Corvette and less like a Streamer, which has a short pin to neck distance.
     
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  5. Henrythe8

    Henrythe8 Dolphin Hoarder

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    The balance of the bizzard is "awkward" but once you found your way, you're good to go. Hardy said it all, it's meant to be played high, but can be played low woth some twitches.
    I personnally would refrain to add a long upper horn. For reason one that it'll be fugly, reason two is that it will add unneccesary weight, and reason three is that the looks of the Dragonwing/Buzzard are clearly in favor of this little horn.
     
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  6. Hardy

    Hardy Supporting Member Good Vibe Sponsor

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    How I solved neck dive: slimmer neck (means much less weight), Hipshot Ultralites, strap pin on the most forward position. And that diagonal position of the bass.

    318B0776-5860-4392-B94B-97E71B1DB248.jpeg
     
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    Perhaps a Reverso in a Dragon Wing shape would do a better job... Horn is already going to the 13th fret :)

    CO_0964EX1145P2XXX3WW_Adam_Clayton_Reverso_01.jpg
     
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  8. Hardy

    Hardy Supporting Member Good Vibe Sponsor

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    Right! The Reverso is a whole other story! It’s my training bass.

    A dragon wing version would be awesome!
     
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  9. Henrythe8

    Henrythe8 Dolphin Hoarder

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    The reverso is a great bass.
     
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    The name of the modell will be Fafnir.
    So this is my first try with my paint skills ;)
    The left horn will get a bit higher though (12th fret) and electronics on the right.
    dragon-wing-4-1_test.jpg
    First idea:
    Test_with neck.png
     
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    When the bass is strapped around your neck, you will hold it in a more diagonal way.
    Make sure the design looks good when in this position. Check the Dolphin bass in my profile pic or hardy holding the buzztard a few posts up for reference.
     
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    schlobodan Warwick Streamer Specialist Good Vibe Sponsor

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    imo the dragonwing has a perfect design

    just sayin
     
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    I will do a paper prototype of the body ;)
     
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    Henrythe8 Dolphin Hoarder

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    As a guy that likes Dolphins, Buzzards and Reversos, and having ordered a pricey custom Stradi bass, I find this design to be rather extreme.
    Now, to each is own, but what you drew seems to weight 7kg at least. Massive body wings, and great dimensions will make it : impossible to sit on a stand, impossible to put in a standard hard case.
    But I'm all ears to see how this project turns out.
     
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    Thank you for your input so far :)
    So I have made 4 versions:
    Double cut:
    Test_Doublecut.png
    DC with shorter body:
    Test_Doublecut-kürzerer Korpus.png
    Singlecut:
    Test_Singlecut.png

    Singlecut with shorter body:
    Test_Singlecut - Korpus kürzer.png
     
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    Thank you for your input :)

    My ideas behind it:
    I like the idea to reverse the dragon wing.
    Weight can be high, the balancing is more important for me.
    The original has already 4,6 kg, so i guess up to 5 kg for mine.
    This bass is not for sitting on a stand ;)
    I have a GruvGear Case, where it should hopefully fit in...
     
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    Hardy Supporting Member Good Vibe Sponsor

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    Hmm, the double cut version maybe?
     
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    The short bodies are ingenious. It keeps the
    overall style and atteetood but packs it into a
    more practical body.

    Got no preference tween the SC and DC short
    bodies, but I'm thinking mebbe the blend of
    both would be perfick ... SC, but cut less deep.

    The long top horn close to the neck raaawx :)
     
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    Just checking for news :)
     
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    I‘m here too!!!
     
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