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Eu - Will Copyright Directive Article 13 Destroy Forums?

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  1. DiMarco

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    Read these articles on Wired and Musicweek:

    The gloomy saga of Article 13 just got a whole lot worse | WIRED UK

    'An important step': GEMA welcomes agreement on Article 13

    What it comes down to is forum owners become responsible for their visitors posting videos that might be seen as "copyright infringement" and either have to remove this content or acquire licenses that allow copyrighted material to be published on their forum.

    This could well mean the end of media on forums, of which many will probably not be able or willing to pay for this content to be posted by their visitors.

    What do you guys think? I am not a legal expert but I recognise a bad situation when I see one...
     
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    First idea to avoid trouble: limit the possibility for uploads to known platforms like YouTube. Mostly the problems in real life are much smaller than the first reactions show.
     
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    Blegh, rubbish rule.

    Ending up just posting links to youtube instead of embedding video's.
     
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    From what I have heard for just linking you will also need to buy licenses.
    The only way for some forums to cope with this will be to include lots and lots of ads.
     
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    I don't think it would be the end of forums. Or the end of media in forums. It would just be different. As for media...maybe only original stuff gets posted. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. As long as we can talk about Warwick's (and others), it's all good. If you removed all non-Wick copyright stuff from this site right now, you'd still have a very relevant, history rich site...with plenty of stuff to talk about, sans YouTube and gifs.

    That being said, I hope it doesn't happen, because it would be an obvious step backwards. Not the downfall of forums though.
     
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    All I know so far forums like this one are safe. This will not be the end of the worldwide web. But some real problems appear. Google News would shut down for example. Let’s be patient, the discussion is on.
     
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    Whatever is decided behind those closed doors is what will happen.

    The EU parliament is NOT a democracy (I don't care what anyone says). It is a case of dictates coming down from on high, where the Parliament can either approve or amend, but not REJECT.
     
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    The current proposal for exemption is "under 3 years plus less than 10 million in revenue", not for profits are not exempt. This forum is over three years old.

    If this goes through, I think we can kiss good-bye to any connection to Framus/Warwick as a company. It would be too much of a risk.
     
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    I doubt a forum like us will suffer, it doesn't make any sense. I think the main target is somewhere else, like those sites posting full movies, etc. Probably the law will be tailored to be fair to everybody, I don't see any reason to be concerned right now. And most of our activity is talking about instruments and posting our own work. No matter what happens we will find a solution one way or another.
     
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    Also we don't "host" any material, we just share links. The forum auto-embeds the links, but you really watch them on youtube. The copyright infringements are not our issue, never was. A lot of youtube videos were subject of copyright infringement anyway, we just see them disapear, we don't get those infringements because we don't host them. If creators will finally see some money out of it, then it is a good thing. We just share links.
     
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    I took the time to read the states. They look decent to me as an lawyer. All discussions are based on meanings. I guess there will be changes, I stay calm so far. Still those EU regulations start to be a pain in the ass.
     
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    A fan posted on youtube a clip of my former band. The clip was about 20M views last time I checked, still no money were paid to my band. If YOutube become responsible for all the copyrighted material posted there, and need to pay licence, then this is a good thing IMHO.
     
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    @Florin Sounds to me like the video was demonetised (ie: Google obsolving itself from paying anything) as it may have contained a word that contravened their User Policy. This change happened in 2017. A lot of people complained. Google ignored them. Some good content producers stopped. Others went over to asking people for financial help via Patreon.

    There is one channel I watch where Google forces me to watch ads, but I know the video has been demonetised, so essentially, Google is making money on content that they aren't paying for.
     
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    Exactleee! The video was posted by a fan, not by us, so he couldn't monetize it. Still, YT should pay to the copyrights owner. So I doubt this is about forums :)
     
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    First design was for linking to copyrighted material you also need a payed license. I don't know if that will stay in the article 13 regulation. Let's hope not.
     
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    This, like all other laws to 'protect artists' is just another scam.
     
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    grumble grumble tax revenue grumble grumble....
     
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    Are we destroyed yet?
     
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    Still here :)
     
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    And kicking !
     
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