Dismiss Notice
Join The Good Vibe Zone today, and hangout with the nicest bass community in the world :)

Carol Kaye Video

Discussion in 'Bands and Bass Players' started by Warfender, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. Warfender

    Warfender

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2007
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    NORCAL
    Pretty cool video, but I'm not exaclty sure what she is trying to say. I know she is talking arpeggios of chords, but not sure how she is linking them. Is she linking them in scale format walking from the root in a 1-3-5-7 to the 2nd mode 1-3-5-7, etc up the scale? Or is she beboping within the same 4 notes or is she adding passing tones? I can't tell from the vid. I hope I'm making my question clear otherwise if you could clue me in.

    Bing Video: BASS PLAYER: Carol Kaye Interview
     
  2. StoneAje

    StoneAje Warwick Endorser

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2010
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    San Diego Ca.
    yeah um... way above my head... makes me feel bad.
     
  3. LiF

    LiF

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    She sounds like Foghorn Leghorn!

    When she is talking about chordal notes, she means arpeggios. She was demonstrating how to play over changes using arpeggios as a basis, but keep it smooth transitioning between chords. She also talked a bit about playing the chord or arpeggio inversions.

    She comes across as fairly arrogant and dismissive of anyone who isn't her.
     
  4. drews

    drews

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Brasília - Brasil
    she's arrogant, but she did play in that old Batman TV series Theme (guitar, I think). It would be good she wasn't, but she has the right to be
     
  5. Gastrok

    Gastrok

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2007
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    38
    sounds like passing tones added to the chordal notes.

    oh, and lets stick the vid in here.

    [video=youtube;s9idtdWAAEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9idtdWAAEA[/video]
     
  6. mart

    mart

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Wales
    Yeah, we've had this discussion at great length before. IIRC the conclusion was: Yes, she comes across as arrogant, but if any CV can justify that attitude then hers can, and in any case there's so much we can learn from her playing that we shouldn't let her attitude get in the way.
     
  7. drews

    drews

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Brasília - Brasil
    Personally I don't see her as arrogant. She's just like most teachers I've had lifelong... or maybe its the same thing, and I'm just being euphemistic. What she says in the video is quite interesting, and deserves a little research. Maybe she passes a kind of arrogance because she believes unconditionally in what she is saying. Maybe I'm just being euphemistic again...
     
  8. Florin

    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2006
    Messages:
    17,799
    Likes Received:
    1,801
    Trophy Points:
    114
    I feel exactly like Drews here. I mean... look... she actually gave us some tips, and this video has some good tips IMHO.
    Saying that this Jazz Lady sounds like FL is quite unapropiate for me...

    And still, she is the one being arrogant :)
     
  9. LiF

    LiF

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    I'm sorry if that comment upset you. British humour, I guess not everyone gets it. Her accent does sound like Foghorn Leghorn to me. I, personally, wouldn't mind being compared to a cartoon character, as long as it wasn't Mr Burns.
     
  10. Florin

    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2006
    Messages:
    17,799
    Likes Received:
    1,801
    Trophy Points:
    114
    I actually love British humour, and I am a big fan of Foghorn Leghorn.


    A good exercise would be this. When you write something about someone, imagine you actually are face to face with that person, and you saying this: Hey Karol, you sound like Foghorn...

    All of them are reading the forums like we do.
     
  11. LiF

    LiF

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    Okay.
     
  12. Florin

    Florin Warwick Forum Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2006
    Messages:
    17,799
    Likes Received:
    1,801
    Trophy Points:
    114
    Sorry to sound like that Lif, I don't want to upset you or anybody else. I hope you are not offended by my post...
     
  13. LiF

    LiF

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    No, I'm British, we have a thick skin. Also you have always come across as a decent and fair bloke(in my short time here), so no offense taken.
     
  14. da-vonk

    da-vonk Warwick Enthusiast forevah

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,820
    Likes Received:
    117
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Da Netherlandz
    Well I dunno if this lady has any reason to be arrogant... cause to tell ya da truth I'd never heard of her before
    until a few weeks ago, when her name was mentioned in our unexceeded chat bawx...;)
     
  15. rusty

    rusty Fatburger bassist

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2007
    Messages:
    764
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    melbourne
    Da Vonk, i hope your kidding, RESPECT man!! This woman could play rings around nearly all of us here. She was "The" person on call for electric bass & guitar work in the 50's & 60's. Look her up here & learn my man.

    Carol Kaye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The numbers she is refering to are nashville numbers, which work to the major scale. Another thing worth learning, as it will allow you to play almost any song in any key. The everly brothers invented that one.

    I didnt see any arrogance there, she is an older lady & the way they talk is to the point.. Her lesson is simple, find the chordal notes rather than the scale notes.

    I think that every bass player would learn a thing or 1600 from this lady.

    My 2 cents.

    Rusty
     
  16. schlobodan

    schlobodan Warwick Streamer Specialist Good Vibe Sponsor

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,681
    Likes Received:
    457
    Trophy Points:
    83
    She answers the question on how to approach Jazz Wakling Bass playing --> use chordal notes (the notes of a chord, or appregios) rather than trying to use scales.
    So to say scales are not important for Jazz Walking Bass or better a wrong way to approach Jazz Walking Bass.
     
  17. dazzla

    dazzla

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2009
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Gold Coast, Australia
    +1. Carol Kaye knows her s**t!
     
  18. dazzla

    dazzla

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2009
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Gold Coast, Australia
    Carol is 'old school' and what she is trying to convey is how 'they'(old school players) learnt about jazz. Back in the day jazz players use to base most of their playing on chordal notes(notes found only within the chords they were using)and rarely used scales to learn tunes. A more modern approach is to use scales(for better or for worse, i am not sure) as an available pool of notes to use under these chords. I think she is having a bit of a dig at the way jazz is taught in schools/colleges these days,'taught by ex rock players' and ect.
     
  19. da-vonk

    da-vonk Warwick Enthusiast forevah

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,820
    Likes Received:
    117
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Da Netherlandz
    I'm sorry Rusty, but I never meant to be disrespectful to Carol Kaye... I honestly didn't know her and I thought that this fact might be a funny contribution to da discussion whether she has da 'right' to be 'arrogant' or not...:lol:

    Imho the best thing about this site is that we all learn from eachother's advices, tips, hints and experiences...I am not ashamed to say that during da half year that I'm a (proud) member of this forum I have learned more about da bass, da playing and da history of it, than in da 43 years before...:d
     
  20. Warfender

    Warfender

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2007
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    NORCAL
    I not sure how my question about what arpeggios she was playing turned into a bash on Carol, but she is a bass godess. Let's stick to analyzing the video and not on her character.

    I was just courious if she was playing the chordal notes in a circle of 5ths approach in the video or was she playing the same 4 notes in the arpeggio in different positions.?.?
     
Loading...